(October 25, 2014 at 8:37 pm)Heywood Wrote: If pressed most atheist would claim that abiogenesis happens or has happened somewhere. At least that is my experience after countless discussion with them. Maybe I am wrong...maybe atheists secretly believe there is an intelligent agent out there somewhere....that creates life.
Maybe most atheists are telling the truth when they say they don't know. Maybe you should try that.
(October 25, 2014 at 8:37 pm)Heywood Wrote: First, there is nothing wrong with believing something which is not proven to be true.
Kind of depends on the claim, doesn't it? There's nothing wrong wit me taking your word for it that you tied your shoes this morning. Taking your word that you tied them with psychokinesis has a few more ramifications.
(October 25, 2014 at 8:37 pm)Heywood Wrote: Even God has to believe somethings which are not proven to be true. If God is all powerful God can create a lessor being and trick that lessor being into thinking it is God. God knowing that He can do this has to wonder if He is not some lessor being being tricked by a covert superior being. God can't really know with absolute certainty....if He is God. It is a necessary truth that a world view must contain at least one assertion.
You seem to have a decent case that omniscience is impossible there, I give you that. But God doesn't HAVE to assert that he's God, he can accept it as tentatively true for practical purposes while still recognizing that he can't really know.
(October 25, 2014 at 8:37 pm)Heywood Wrote: Second, I don't insist that abiogenesis is not true. God could have created the universe in such as fashion as to insure abiogenesis would happen. I just note that creation via intellect as a means to bring lineages of life into this world has been proven while abiogenesis has not.
And what difference would it make to you if the origin of life was simulated in a laboratory by replicating the conditions believed to have been the case at the time? What's the point of contending that it hasn't happened because it hasn't been observed, when observing things has never been the ultimate standard of determining whether something has happened? We've never observed a dinosaur walking either, are we to file that under 'we can't infer that dinosaurs could walk because we haven't actually observed it happening'?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.