RE: Atheists only vote please: Do absolute MORAL truths exist? Is Rape ALWAYS "wr...
October 30, 2014 at 8:21 pm
(October 30, 2014 at 7:37 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(October 30, 2014 at 7:16 pm)Tsun Tsu Wrote: Would you consider rape to be wrong even for those who deem it acceptable? And what about advanced life across the universe. If it exists, would rape also be wrong for that society, even if they accept it as normal or "ok"?
This place is very active. I thank you for this, and really wasn't expecting it.
I believe most people are agreeing that morality is subjective. Rape is wrong for one group, but is acceptable to another. Is this correct?
So far, in my results from other sites, Theists would regard rape as universally wrong despite those viewing it as acceptable. In other words, theists believe "Universal truth is bigger than society, larger than the universe. They would say it is universally true regardless of dissenting views. Those holding the opposite view are simply wrong".
In this case the theist would say that those regarding rape as acceptable are wrong... it is still an evil or "wrong" thing to do.
How does the atheist counter this?
I would agree that those that think rape is morally acceptable are wrong. However, that is my own subjective opinion. I counter the theist claim simply by pointing out that they can't demonstrate the existence of a source of universal morality, only assert that it is so.
Lets say the theist countered by challenging the Atheist to provide an example of when rape is "good". The Theist would possibly say: "It is universally true rape is not good despite dissenting opinions. If the Atheist holds that this is NOT universally true regardless of dissenting opinions, then the atheist would have to assert that rape is "sometimes good".
How would one go on to defend "subjective morality", by providing an instance where rape is "good", and "not the wrong thing to do"? If morality is subjective, entire cultures could deem rape as acceptable or even "good". Are they wrong, or is the "wrongness" of rape then only determined by the number of people who believe it to be wrong? Is there no higher law than our own opinion on the matter, or is there something bigger than the world, that makes it wrong despite society's opinion? Are the people who regard it as acceptable, simply "wrong"?
You don't have to take the questions one by one, I'm just trying to be as clear as possible
Thank you
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