RE: Atheists only vote please: Do absolute MORAL truths exist? Is Rape ALWAYS "wr...
October 30, 2014 at 9:13 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2014 at 9:17 pm by Tsun Tsu.)
(October 30, 2014 at 9:00 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:(October 30, 2014 at 7:05 pm)Tsun Tsu Wrote: I'm very sorry. In the last post I seem to have not made myself clear. I apologize for this. The information I am compiling is a comparative study on Theistic and Atheistic values and convictions, and their impact on society.
Also since it seems someone took me wrong when I said I wouldn't challenge the belief stated, I guess we can do that in this thread too if you like.
So the question... Does absolute universal moral truth exist? Is there ANYTHING where it can be said that it is morally true universally?
For instance: "Rape is ALWAYS wrong" <<<This would be considered a moral truth. Is it universally true? Is it true even if society deemed that rape was perfectly acceptable?
A "comparative study", eh? That sounds pretty sciency. Do you have a control group? Have you factored in the many statistical anomalies that will be introduced by asking that question on an atheist Internet forum? Who will be reviewing your conclusions?
I'm not sure whether absolute moral truths exist. I'm certainly inclined to disbelieve in them. Your specific example, rape, seems less that ideal in that it is clearly an attempt to invoke emotion. I can't see anything good about rape ... unless it was Adolf Hitler being gangbanged by the 89 LA Lakers. That would be good.
You'd be surprised how "sciency" I can get I'm sure
As far as "evoking emotion" I would counter with why that should intimidate? Rape is a reality. And this is to discuss the effects and ramifications of our belief system on society, how it effects our teaching, and how and what is reinforced and emphasized. Summarily it is an examination as to which train of thought is ultimately more beneficial to society.
Also it is intended to help point out inconsistencies, and possibly even the more controversial end results of our belief systems.
So... it seems to me that the Atheist may have to resolve what brings about a higher moral code if universal truth actually exists... If it is ALWAYS wrong to rape, then this truth is larger than the world... not made of matter... rape is not a chemical reaction. On the other hand, if one holds that rape is not always bad, then the Atheist is faced with the dilemma of providing an instance where it is "good".
And how about child abuse?
Is it universally true that child abuse is wrong? Or are there instances where it is "good"?
(October 30, 2014 at 9:07 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(October 30, 2014 at 8:37 pm)Tsun Tsu Wrote: By universally true, I mean it is true regardless of time or location or prevailing opinion. Does the truth that rape is wrong supersede human social acceptance? If so, then the Atheist has to deal with a higher moral code.
So, to humans then? You didn't exactly answer my question.
I don't see how that wasn't answered... It is either universally true regardless of any outside force or inside force, regardless or dissenting opinion, or then rape is sometimes good
How vote you?
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