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Poll: Universal moral truths exist
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Atheists only vote please: Do absolute MORAL truths exist? Is Rape ALWAYS "wrong"?
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RE: Atheists only vote please: Do absolute MORAL truths exist? Is Rape ALWAYS "wr...
(October 30, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Tsun Tsu Wrote:
(October 30, 2014 at 10:13 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: I find it wrong in and of itself. The victims find it wrong. The perpetrators don't. I think they're assholes. That's how it goes, it's not rocket science.

The reason I don't accept universal truth in terms of morality is actually derived more from epistemology rather than being self-contained within its own branch of philosophy. To declare a universal truth is to declare absolute certainty on the matter. This is not possible. It's the same reason I consider myself an agnostic atheist rather than a gnostic one. I don't think my reasons for disbelieving in gods are lesser than those of a gnostic atheist, similarly, I don't think my reasons for universally considering rape as always wrong within valid contexts are any lesser than somebody that would claim it is universally true objectively speaking.

The difference is I don't assume the position of infallibility.


Ok then. I do have a further question if you don't mind. You said:

"To declare a universal truth is to declare absolute certainty on the matter. This is not possible"

To declare with absolute certainty that universal truth does not exist, for instance saying it is universally true that rape is wrong, would be to imply that there would be times where rape is NOT wrong. To say "rape is universally not good" is either true, or there are times where it is good. Can you provide an example of rape being "Good" or is it then universally true that it isn't good?

I did not say that universal truth does not exist, just that absolute certainty does not. Universal truth may exist, but we could never be absolutely certain to declare it a reality.

And no, for starters, that's a false dichotomy. Saying that it isn't "always wrong" does not mean that there is a situation where it is "good." Not all actions that are not wrong are necessarily good actions, they just aren't wrong ones.

And no, I can't provide an example of it being good because I think it is always wrong in applicable contexts. I've already stated this, this question of yours is already implicitly addressed in my previous post. My views have already been explained and account for your inquiries, but your questions have not adapted outside of their original framework.
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RE: Atheists only vote please: Do absolute MORAL truths exist? Is Rape ALWAYS "wr... - by Tartarus Sauce - October 30, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: Is Rape ALWAYS "wrong"? - by Surgenator - October 31, 2014 at 12:29 am

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