Atheists only vote please: Do absolute MORAL truths exist? Is Rape ALWAYS "wrong"?

[Tsun Tsu]

So do you think then that those who find rape acceptable and good are right?

It wouldn't (and doesn't) matter what I think. That hypothetical cultures norms would not be based upon my thoughts. They have no relevance or bearing on the situation as we have described it.

Then you believe rape is fine for those who deem it as good?

It's not wrong because they deem it acceptable to rape?

-To them. Poorly formed question, of course - for the same reason as last time. Are you taking any of this in or do you have a script, if so, just get to the moneyshot.

I don't understand your script implication. I am asking if rape then is not morally wrong in and of itself then simply because some people view it as good for them? Or alternatively it is always morally wrong... which makes t universally and absolutely wrong. You seem to be saying we cant say its always wrong because some people deem it good.

Or would you say there is a higher truth that trumps their opinion, and they are still wrong whether anyone recognizes it or not?

If they were wrong, it wouldn't be because of any "higher truth" that I possess. Again, like before, whatever it is I possess, either truth or opinion or -invent a word if you like- it's all irrelevant to the point at hand.

Atheists hold that we are nothing more significant than matter and chemical reaction. How is it even possibly to morally violate matter and chemical reaction? I hold that a tree cant morally violate a dog. I disagree that we are nothing more than matter and chemical reaction, and that we can be orally violated, as well as morally violate. An atheist cannot recognize moral violation as I do. Which is why you would have a hard time agreeing "It is universally wrong to rape a child".

It doesn't matter when in time it takes place, or where in space. It doesn't matter if anyone agrees or disagrees. There is a higher truth that trumps all opinion, and part of this truth is that it is NEVER GOOD to rape a child.

How would you counter by offering examples of "good" pedophilia?

Is there a higher truth that makes rape WRONG or EVIL despite consensus or opinion? If is IS true that they are wrong and rape is wrong regardless, then we have a truth that is universal AND absolute.

How should I know? Am I in the "higher truth" business? That's an -if- you'll have to turn into an -is-, until then...

Then you must be agnostic as opposed to Atheist, if you don't know whether or not Higher Truth exists.

(I've always wondered about that phrase, btw..."A higher truth" - how does one go about giving something that attribute? What's a lower truth, is there a scale? Are some truths is just taller than others or is there a shelf? Whats going on here...what's the story?)

The definition of Higher Truth is simple. It is Truth that transcends anyone's belief in it, anywhere, any time, and is also true regardless of anyone's opinion. So it transcends time space and the will of dissenters and remains true, making the dissenters "wrong".

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But in a similar vein:
Of course I don't agree with you. Your grasp of the breadth of possible hypotheticals is so limited.

Do you think it would be a positive moral choice to rape a child if the alternative was slow and agonizing torture for every person living on earth today?

No, I don't. I take it you do? Would YOU rape a child to save the world? Would you rape that child to protect just your family? Would you rape it to just save yourself? We must also alternatively ask, at what number of saved lives, does the rape of a child become acceptable to you?

1) To save 1 other person?
2) 2?
3) 10?
4) 50?

In other words, in YOUR opinion, if the rape of a child is wrong but to save the world it is right, Where do you reach the turning point to turn it from "wrong" to "good"? I will even accept an approximation. Or you can change your mind and agree with me that it is always wrong

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