Can atheists convert theists?

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Strattosphere -

I haven't abdicated a sense of morality. Where are you getting all this from?

As I said 'I don't know which particular brand of hokum you observe so I don't know if you're more or less dangerous than other believers'. Since we are talking in generalities 'Can atheists convert theists?' I had to generalise about the largest groups of believers, who typically (and fallaciously) say that morality can't exist without a belief in God. You are acting, for this arguments sake, as the apologist for theists and I am acting as the apologist for atheists.

Even if the morality point doesn't apply to you and you follow a moderate form of deity worship that appears harmless, you are part of the system that seeks to make acceptable any kind of belief in the supernatural. This flies in the face of evidence and logic and reduces humanity to slaves of an imaginary bully and renders us unable to fully enjoy the universe on its own merits.

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The purpose of this thread is to establish how an atheist would convert a theist to atheism.

Please let's not have a discussion solely about my beliefs or any other theist's beliefs as there are other threads where that can be discussed, this is specifically to see if you can convert me or any other theist.

We're not discussing how atheists would ridicule theists, or vice versa, and we're not discussing how you or I would consider the other person's views and disagree. We know that we disagree.

So, if you (atheists) were to attempt to convert a theist, how would you do it? Which methods would be most effective? Have you ever done it? If so, how? And which methods are least effective? Can you convert me?

Actually, to answer the question directly, can I convert you, the answer would have to be no. The problem here is that you would know already that I have an agenda, to get you to deconstruct your own reasoning and to get you to question your choice to talk yourself into accepting an additional external influence on your choices and thoughts. It would be far easier to convert you from one deity belief system to another as you're already wired up to believe. In fact I could be completely wrong but I suspect that you may already have done this once, perhaps from one of the mainstream religions to something more gentle and tolerant.