RE: Objectifying women
July 11, 2010 at 4:24 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2010 at 4:26 pm by In This Mind.)
(July 11, 2010 at 12:00 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: Offering you advice on how to minimize the risk of being raped is not the same thing as blaming you if the rape occurs. In my opinion, you are way out of line in this thread.
If X, then Y
Y
Therefore X
If not X, then not Y
Not Y
Therefore not X
If you dress like a slut, you will get raped
You get raped
Therefore you dressed like a slut
If you don't dress like a slut, you won't get raped
You don't get raped
Therefore you didn't dress like a slut
Now, have I made it clear enough for you to possibly, just maybe a little tiny bit, understand that by placing the onus of avoiding rape on the women, you are in effect blaming the women if they get raped?
Quote:Cindy and Christina and Kelly all made it home safely, but now Cindy experiences guilt for not insisting you ride with her. When she sees you next, she expresses her sorrow for what happened to you and says that she wishes she wouldn't have let you walk home alone.
Her actions have absolutely nothing to do with the act of rape occurring, it's her way of dealing with the fear that she herself could be a victim at anytime, by buying into the mindset that if only she behaved a certain way she would have nothing to fear.
Quote:You go into hysterics and accuse her of blaming you? I'd bet not.
Depends entirely on how she says it. There are some versions of Cindy who would indeed stated it as 'well gee, if only you hadn't been foolish (note use of the word foolish) and used common sense (note wording used by members of this thread) you wouldn't have been raped'.
Get the point yet?
You do it here in your response:
Quote:the rapist would have simply grabbed a different woman walking home alone and putting herself at risk.
You measured blame out to the victim by pointing out she put herself at risk. Why did you feel the need to add those words to the sentence? Why was it the woman who put herself at risk and not the rapist who put her at risk simply by existing?
Blaming the victim is so ingrained to you that you don't even think about it, you just do it. And you, like the others, get upset when it is pointed out to you.
(July 11, 2010 at 11:05 am)Tiberius Wrote: I also never said this advice is a form of common sense. I said that both "common sense" and "not taking risks" would lead to less rape instances in the women who follow that advice.
Except this isn't true. It is not true that 'not taking risks' will lead to less instances of rape.
(July 11, 2010 at 11:05 am)Tiberius Wrote: compare it to the number of rapes where the girl has taken a taxi or walked with friends.
A serial rapist in my hometown was a cab driver. Another was a cop.
Most women are raped by someone they know, either a friend or an acquaintance.