RE: Does this make me a polytheist?
November 30, 2014 at 6:05 am
(This post was last modified: November 30, 2014 at 6:21 am by robvalue.)
I personally don't see more to deism than an argument from incredulity or emotional appeals; and pretty much the same ones that theists often use.
"I can't think of any way the universe could be in it's current state unless an intelligent being created it."
"I just feel there is some higher power that did all this."
Or the other form I have heard is just a tautology:
"Whatever caused the universe to happen, I call that god. Therefore, god created the universe."
As well as pointless, it is also flawed because it assumes the universe had a cause.
For example:
Call the smallest real number greater than zero x.
If x > 1 then squareroot(x) < x so x is not the smallest real number.
If x < 1 then x*x <x so x is not the smallest real number.
Therefore, x=1 as all other possibilities have been discounted.
I'm not trying to insult deists, but to analyze deism. If there is more to it than I am aware of, I'd be happy to hear it.
If you say god is the universe, or god is nature, or god could be nothing... you're really not saying anything at all.
So seeing as I think deities are in the imagination, you can have as many as you want.
Also, sorry to rip into deism so hard but:
Q) Are there any things that could have always existed, or could come into existence without an agency in control?
A) Yes: How do you know the universe/metaverse isn't one of them?
A) No: So god didn't always exist, and it had a creator. So did the creator's creator. So did the creator's creator's creator. So did...
To borrow again from the great Dillahunty; any attempt to use a diety is answering one mystery with another bigger mystery.
Claim: the universe looks designed
Rebuttal: what does a non-designed universe look like to compare?
Is deism a refusal to let go of some external meaning to life?
"I can't think of any way the universe could be in it's current state unless an intelligent being created it."
"I just feel there is some higher power that did all this."
Or the other form I have heard is just a tautology:
"Whatever caused the universe to happen, I call that god. Therefore, god created the universe."
As well as pointless, it is also flawed because it assumes the universe had a cause.
For example:
Call the smallest real number greater than zero x.
If x > 1 then squareroot(x) < x so x is not the smallest real number.
If x < 1 then x*x <x so x is not the smallest real number.
Therefore, x=1 as all other possibilities have been discounted.
I'm not trying to insult deists, but to analyze deism. If there is more to it than I am aware of, I'd be happy to hear it.
If you say god is the universe, or god is nature, or god could be nothing... you're really not saying anything at all.
So seeing as I think deities are in the imagination, you can have as many as you want.
Also, sorry to rip into deism so hard but:
Q) Are there any things that could have always existed, or could come into existence without an agency in control?
A) Yes: How do you know the universe/metaverse isn't one of them?
A) No: So god didn't always exist, and it had a creator. So did the creator's creator. So did the creator's creator's creator. So did...
To borrow again from the great Dillahunty; any attempt to use a diety is answering one mystery with another bigger mystery.
Claim: the universe looks designed
Rebuttal: what does a non-designed universe look like to compare?
Is deism a refusal to let go of some external meaning to life?
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