Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Whateverist]

If you feel there is some intention involved, more power to you. But you'll never convince me of it. Not based on nothing more than your hunch. (I prefer my own.)

I did not suggest that there was intention. What I said was "I cannot accept a 'something from nothing' scenario in any way shape or form. Under this philosophy, I must accept the universe (and beyond) is alive."

But how does the universe being alive avoid your something from nothing issue. Where did this alive universe come from?

It came from the same place as our elbows and collar bones. My organism took many meters of DNA and assembled me to have elbows, collar bones, awareness and much more. Eon after eon the mechanisms of life complexified over the generations. Why? No idea. May as well ask why rust or ice forms. No one knows if it could have been otherwise. I don't. You don't. But we can all speculate.

And what was the origin of your elbows and collar bones? No matter what you say, what was the origin of that, ad infinitum.

Your hunch doesn't get you around your something from nothing worry. So what does it matter if I can't tell you where everything came from all the way back to forever? I'm not the one who says we should have access to that information. Nor do l look to leverage the ignorance we both suffer from into an unearned conclusion. You should try to understand this. You really have nothing to stand on here.