RE: Catholic miracles
December 7, 2014 at 6:17 pm
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2014 at 6:21 pm by Heywood.)
(December 7, 2014 at 6:03 pm)Thor Wrote:(December 7, 2014 at 5:20 pm)Heywood Wrote: Bell's theorem tells us that all the predictions of quantum mechanics cannot be explained by a theory of hidden local variables. Some events must happen without local causes. This is exactly the kind of miracle Thor is asking for, and it happens every instant. Its happening all around him.
But because it happens with regularity....it isn't a miracle....it is simply the way the world works.
We're talking about divine miracles here. No one is praying for the type of thing you're talking about here.
You said a miracle was something that violated a natural law. Causality is a natural law and quantum randomness violates it. It satisfies your definition of miracle. Now you are moving the goal posts. Now miracles have to be violations of a natural law that were prayed for in advance.
But your picking up the goal post and moving them down the field farther doesn't change the veracity of my point. If miracles were regular occurrences they wouldn't be considered miracles....they would just be the way the world works. Suppose I cut my arm off and the next morning I wake up and its returned like I never lost it. If such an occurrence happened once and only once it would be a miracle whether or not I prayed for it. If it happened every time someone lost a limb...it would be spontaneous regeneration of limbs. If it happened to most people but not all, those it didn't happen to would be diagnosed with idiopathic non spontaneous limb regeneration syndrome. Kids would secure pledges and make long walks to find a cure for this ailment.
And if prayer is really a requirement of a miracle. No problemo....Let me do like Dunning did and invent some new details and then assume them to be facts. I propose a legion of angels are praying for atoms to decay. My proposal is true so therefore the miracle of atomic decay is still a miracle even by your new and more rigorous standard that miracles be prayed for in advance.