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The problem with prayer
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RE: The problem with prayer
(January 5, 2009 at 7:21 am)Darwinian Wrote: The problem with prayer as I see it is that you are basically asking God to do something for you that he wasn't already planning to do. Otherwise there would be very little point.

This would be fine if..

  1. God existed.
  2. He wasn't omniscient.
  3. And he was powerful enough to grant your wish.

However, every Christian I have tackled about this tells me that God is all powerful (omnipotent) and all seeing (omniscient). If that is the case then God already knows the outcome of every possible event that has, will or can ever take place.

What then is the point of prayer because what ever happens was going to happen anyway and not even God could change that because of the obvious paradox of being omnipotent and omniscient at the same time.

The problem with prayer is that god squad wants it both ways. Either the prayer is granted ( glory be! ) or it isn't then it's god's will ( so don't fuck with god, loser! ).
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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The problem with prayer - by Darwinian - January 5, 2009 at 7:21 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Kyuuketsuki - January 5, 2009 at 7:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by puglover - January 5, 2009 at 8:05 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Dotard - January 5, 2009 at 8:16 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by puglover - January 5, 2009 at 8:21 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by leo-rcc - January 5, 2009 at 8:40 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 10:01 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2009 at 10:29 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 10:36 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2009 at 11:34 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Kyuuketsuki - January 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by chatpilot - January 5, 2009 at 10:50 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 11:19 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2009 at 12:44 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 1:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 5, 2009 at 3:30 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by bozo - January 5, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Kyuuketsuki - January 5, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 5, 2009 at 4:51 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Kyuuketsuki - January 5, 2009 at 6:46 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by leo-rcc - January 5, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 5:46 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by leo-rcc - January 6, 2009 at 7:53 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by chatpilot - January 6, 2009 at 3:37 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2009 at 9:48 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 9:59 am
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2009 at 12:12 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 12:48 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2009 at 1:18 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 1:50 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by Eilonnwy - January 6, 2009 at 3:15 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by bozo - January 6, 2009 at 3:26 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by CoxRox - January 6, 2009 at 5:16 pm
RE: The problem with prayer - by chatpilot - January 6, 2009 at 10:47 pm

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