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"But what about the moderates?"
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RE: "But what about the moderates?"
December 16, 2014 at 1:04 am (This post was last modified: December 16, 2014 at 1:08 am by robvalue.)
If the bible is not divinely true, then it must be assessed with regular historical rigour. In that case, the best you can confirm actually happened from the bible is a few non supernatural historical events. They do nothing to support God being real, or jesus, if there was one, doing anything special at all.

If you want to just believe all the supernatural stuff anyway, that's up to you, but it isn't a position that can be defended as logical in my opinion.

The New Testament has non-eye witness accounts of hearsay regarding jesus. Plus forgeries. So the best you could ever get out of this is what the authors believed that other people believed. What eye witnesses believe is not equal to truth, so what a second hand person believes about those beliefs is certainly no where near truth.

As a normal historical account, we would reject all of the NT as hearsay and we're left with nothing regarding any kind of claims about Jesus being anything more than "some guy" at best.

You're welcome to assume more, or give the evidence extra weight, but if you want anyone else to take it seriously, you need more than that.

If other sources existed which could confirm any of it beyond general history, that would be a start. But there isn't. And even if there was, you cannot prove supernatural claims with text.
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