RE: Is free will real?
December 26, 2014 at 11:34 pm
(This post was last modified: December 26, 2014 at 11:47 pm by Mudhammam.)
(December 26, 2014 at 9:15 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Okay, so let me ask you this. Say you see a beautiful sunset. Does knowing that it isn't intrinsically beautiful, but that it is an instinctive emotional response to certain visual stimulus that makes us "see" beauty in it, not make that beauty unreal?LOL no! It's REALLY beautiful to me in that moment. There's no "instrinsic" beauty except in that sense that X causes Y in individual Z at the sight of X and Z calls it beautiful... and then tries to copulate with it. So, yes, it's real, in the same way that Zebras have what we call stripes. They have a color configuration that invokes intense debate: are they white or black? I don't see how things are unreal simply because they're evaluative; values are real but they're not absolute or objective. This is all aside from free will, which is simply not an accurate formula of anything in the real world except perhaps a sense that involves a deep lack of awareness in regards to our infinite ignorance.
Or will you accept that "real for us" is no less real than the light itself?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza