Any Theists on AF, I Challenge You to a Debate on the Existence of God

[fr0d0]

No, merely that it's foolish to believe when you have no knowledge. But I'll grant you that it's better to know what you have is faith rather than proof.

But I don't think this little argument between us began there. We began with your insinuation that without organized religion, there is no moral check. If that's not what you meant, I'm sorry. If it was, I disagree. There are other possible moral checks: the opinion of others; moral philosophy; conscience (either learned for genetic); etc. I further disagree that religion necessarily provides a moral check. That organizer religion might provide one for you, I'm perfectly willing to grant. But it does not appear to do that for all religious persons.

All of the things you cite are influences on your world view APART from your understanding of physical causes of the universe. The information I was trying to get from you.

So like me, you draw information from outside sources.

I don't give a shit who's effin sources are better than who's. Point is, they're there. Bullshit all you like about your bias against religion. Personally I don't give a fuck. That's your problem.

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Where no knowledge is possible, knowing that you are ignorant is better than thinking you have knowledge.

fr0d0, I haven't read the previous posts, but here is something I wanted to add to the discussion:

Most theists have specific ideas about God, and atheists can show those specific ideas contradict science or contradict logic. For example, we have lots of knowledge that the Christian definition of God is false. Of course there are 40,000 denominations. It would be interesting to debate the specifics of your belief and see if it holds-up.

I have zero ideas which contradict science or logic, so that would be a non starter.