My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male

[paulpablo]

well you have just shifted the goal posts of pretty much all your arguments, now commercials do objectify men sometimes, men aren't subjected to unrealistic standards of beauty but now they are sometimes just not as much as women.

And I would debate you're pretty much wrong about all these things, I'd say men are bombarded with just as many perfect male faces and 6 packs and oiled up male bodies they just don't react as much as women do. And men are usually portrayed as being more dominant in the media because biologically in the human species men are more dominant and aggressive, not just because the men told the girls they weren't allowed to be.

And as for the videos in what way were the men not represented as sex objects? They weren't admired for their personality, or their success. If they weren't as sexually attractive they wouldn't have been hired for those commercials. I don't even think any of them actually speak in those commercials.

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Yes, but that doesn't make it wrong for female species to be agressive sometimes, or for males to be emotional or more passive from time to time.

Show me where I said it is wrong for women to be aggressive, you asked me have I ever thought that women might not be aggressive because people have told them to not be, I said no because like many other mammals it's pretty much biological, not cultural. It's testosterone and balls which makes it rare but not unheard of to have female dominance in societies. Rather than magazines and adverts. Out of every animal there is usually one sex which is dominant, and it's only humans which are intelligent enough to have magazines, adverts and so on. [/quote]

The premise of what you're saying is correct for the slut shaming, sort of, although not exactly a privilege because men do get called sluts. Also not really a privilege in the example you used, as I said a girl wearing revealing clothing being mocked and shamed is something I've not seen before, I've seen a guy come in the gym before wearing tight shorts and they get looked at like psychotic perverts and laughed at , a woman comes in wearing the exact same thing and she gets preferential treatment by all the gym instructors, so the premise is correct, men are less likely to be called sluts, the example is wrong because wearing revealing clothing is definitely more acceptable for women to do.

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I've just realized I can't win in this argument.

You say men aren't forced to compete in society, I tell you that's not correct, then you admit it's not correct but tell me it proves another point you were talking about which I was never even talking to you about.

You say something wrong, I point out why it's wrong, then you say something like "Yeh but why does that have to be the case, why do gender roles have to exist?"