My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male

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well you have just shifted the goal posts of pretty much all your arguments, now commercials do objectify men sometimes, men aren't subjected to unrealistic standards of beauty but now they are sometimes just not as much as women.

Everyone is, but the pressure is higher on female side, only someone who has never been in touch with western societies would think that. Beauty obsession is prevalent among everyone, and it's not good, but it is much more prevalent amongst women - The Disney story of the beautiful princess who marries the prince is anecdotally a good example of this. Females are told to be pretty much more than boys, and that's why little girls are playing with barbies making new haircuts while boys are playing cops or other stuff.

And I would debate you're pretty much wrong about all these things, I'd say men are bombarded with just as many perfect male faces and 6 packs and oiled up male bodies they just don't react as much as women do. And men are usually portrayed as being more dominant in the media because biologically in the human species men are more dominant and aggressive, not just because the men told the girls they weren't allowed to be.

They aren't, and you (and I) know we aren't - I've never been pressured by society to look like a fit 6 pack dude because I have a face others consider pretty, and a normal body, I was never forced to be overly fit or to wear make up or to shave my body hair, because I don't need it. I provided reasonable evidence and told you to do more research when it comes to sexual objectification and females - In fact I admitted I've done it myself. What more do you need? I'm not denying men have problems too, just that they are not as significant, and I'm saying this as a male who enjoys being so. I've suffered for not being satisfied with my body, but I know it's nothing compared to how many eating disorders, depressions and levels of body self-awareness females have.

There's a difference between men being portrayed as aggressive and females being constantly portrayed as objects to sell everything from beer to cars. In fact, I think more aggressive portrayals of women wouldn't be a bad idea. At least, a more neutral portrayal would be nice,

And as for the videos in what way were the men not represented as sex objects? They weren't admired for their personality, or their success. If they weren't as sexually attractive they wouldn't have been hired for those commercials. I don't even think any of them actually speak in those commercials.

Damn, you really didn't read the distinction between being attracted and sexually objectified? Someone can be attractive and do modelling and still not be sexual objectified, on the contrary someone may not be attractive as a whole and be sexually objectified. Watch the video and you'll understand there's a difference. Of course those men were accepted because they are hot/attractive, but that doesn't mean the commercial objectifies them - The other I showed you with males surrounding a female, on the other hand does because of the power-submission showed in the image.

Make an experiment - Take the most kinky pictures of models (females) on the internet, and tell me if a male did the same pose, it wouldn't look awkward... For instance, imagine a male in her place:
https://genderandsociety2013.files.wordp...penis1.jpg

Show me where I said it is wrong for women to be aggressive, you asked me have I ever thought that women might not be aggressive because people have told them to not be, I said no because like many other mammals it's pretty much biological, not cultural. It's testosterone and balls which makes it rare but not unheard of to have female dominance in societies. Rather than magazines and adverts. Out of every animal there is usually one sex which is dominant, and it's only humans which are intelligent enough to have magazines, adverts and so on.

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I'm not arguing the biological side, but it's not fair when society penalizes females for being agressive like men, because sometimes just the only way to success. Why do sometimes females who own high end jobs get called "bossy" by their workers while male bosses are just called "bosses"?

The premise of what you're saying is correct for the slut shaming, sort of, although not exactly a privilege because men do get called sluts. Also not really a privilege in the example you used, as I said a girl wearing revealing clothing being mocked and shamed is something I've not seen before, I've seen a guy come in the gym before wearing tight shorts and they get looked at like psychotic perverts and laughed at , a woman comes in wearing the exact same thing and she gets preferential treatment by all the gym instructors, so the premise is correct, men are less likely to be called sluts, the example is wrong because wearing revealing clothing is definitely more acceptable for women to do.

Wearing clothing that reveals your body is just an example, there are many more - But it's not necessary that someone comments on it, I don't know anyone (my friends who are 20+) who doesn't think a woman wearing a shirt that shows her belly button is not a slut. I'm saying this for real, where I live a girl wearing a revealing shirt is considered (at least in thought) a slut and is associated with promiscuous behaviour, she is also approached more frequently by males who think she bangs everyone without effort.

You say men aren't forced to compete in society, I tell you that's not correct, then you admit it's not correct but tell me it proves another point you were talking about which I was never even talking to you about.

You say something wrong, I point out why it's wrong, then you say something like "Yeh but why does that have to be the case, why do gender roles have to exist?"

You are confusing stuff, I didn't and I apologize if I said unwillingly that men don't compete, of course we do!... But I was addressing specific problems of slut shaming between females. Heck even my mum says females are not united enough. I'll tell you a little experiment, which corroborates nothing but is worth giving a thought - Once I went to an engineering school, full of males, everyone got along fine, the atmosphere was nice, people all talked to each other. I then went to my GF's college that is populated mostly by girls - They are all divided into 20/30 different social groups of friends, hate each other and talk badly behind their backs, my girlfriend included, they literally criticize each other everyday by simple things like "what she was wearing today" or "how many make up she had". Do you think this is productive to society? Would you imagine men doing the same on a daily basis? No, because we get along much better, in fact, competition wise, I'm able to compete with my male friends and still remain friends..

I'll say it again that I'm not trying to say some groups like whites or males don't have problems, we all do, I'm just stating problems that are more predominant amongst other groups. I'm white, male and straight as I've stated already.

By the way, a curious fact - Sexual objectification is not something only men do, females objectify their peers as well and judge based on their looks. I'm judged by my looks as everyone else, but not as much as my female friends, and I'm aware of that.