RE: Any Theists on AF, I Challenge You to a Debate on the Existence of God
December 28, 2014 at 8:14 pm
(December 28, 2014 at 8:12 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(December 28, 2014 at 7:41 pm)IATIA Wrote: If there were a god, it would have to be timeless.
If this god were timeless, then everything would have to be at once without causality.
If everything just is, then there is no need for a god.
If god was not timeless, it would have to have a first thought, ergo a beginning. What gave this god a beginning?
A god with limits is not a god.
A god without limits is an infinite god and that is impossible because nothing can be aware of an infinity, so this god could not be fully aware of itself.
This god would have to have infinite power, i.e., infinite energy. Again, impossible.
If this god were to exist in either form, then science, logic and reasoning become useless and invalid.
That's a mess
(December 28, 2014 at 7:42 pm)Nope Wrote: Are we talking about Christianity or just the idea of god in general?
If we are talking about Christianity, the idea that Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine or came back to life and shot up into the sky in full view of his followers defies logic and science.. That is why Christians call those supposed events miracles, right?
So, it isn't true that you have zero beliefs that contradict science and logic.
All that contradicts science is your interpretation. You're assuming my interpretation is the same as yours.
Can you explain why you think that is a mess?