RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
December 29, 2014 at 8:57 pm
(This post was last modified: December 29, 2014 at 8:58 pm by Dystopia.)
(December 29, 2014 at 8:38 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:You seem to be implying that everything can be a logical fallacy, but it's not really like that - A fallacy allows a judgement/argument to look true when it really isn't - The problem is that you're saying discussing privilege is not valid if white people (the privileged group) are the only ones doing it - Who's discussing it is completely irrelevant, what matters is if what's being said is true or not - For instance, wouldn't it be valid for a group of men to discuss abortion, even if they are not women? It's perfectly valid as long as they take into account they'll never be having abortions during their lifetimes. If people followed your idea, then we could say more than 90% of theist arguments are perfectly valid and fallacy free. Only that they're not.(December 29, 2014 at 8:16 pm)Blackout Wrote: I don't understand your definition of white guilt - It's not about white guilt and I made that very clear from the beginning. I'm happy being a white guy. However it seems to be you're committing a fallacy by making the validity of the argument depend on the person who's spitting it out - Lincoln was against slavery and he was white, right? Does that make the opposition to slavery invalid, just because he wasn't black/slave?I don't care about committing logical fallacies anymore. No matter what you type on a message board, somebody will call it a logical fallacy. So that holds no water with me. Learned to live with their disadvantage? I mean it just all sounds ridiculous. I doubt that normal people really stress over all the ways they are advantaged and disadvantaged. Also you can say that it's not about guilt, but the whole opening post is riddled with guilt. It sort of is like the inverse of when someone says 'I'm not a racist but.....' 'This isn't about white guilt but.....' Maybe that's not your intention or motivations, but it sure seems like it.
Have you ever thought that just maybe there are a number of reasons other racial groups (we are talking about race right now so I'll address this only) don't talk about lacking privilege is because they may have given up, or learned to live with their disadvantages? Or perhaps because they are aware that many people would give more credit to the complaint if it was proposed by a white person? These kind of assumptions are dangerous.
I don't care what it looks like, it's ridiculous to say I have white guilt or male guilt or straight guilt when those are characteristics I was born with and have literally no control over - There's no reason for me to feel guilty. My whole opening post was aimed at exposing the fact that I'm perfectly aware of the advantages I possess for simply being born like I was, and if I'm claiming to have undeserved privilege it's because I've carefully looked at both sides and noticed my life was a lot easier than others for no justified reason - And honestly, I'd have to be a total fool and overwhelmingly oblivious to say other groups (like the ones I mentioned, but it varies according to each society) have an equal or easier life than me as a general rule(I'm not claiming it's always easier for me, there are some exceptions). This is also not about people thinking about advantages or disadvantages, everyone has them - It's about advantages or disadvantages that are socially determined by irrelevant factors such as your sexual orientation or your skin colour.
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