(January 5, 2015 at 9:39 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: What's the difference besides one description being subjective, as in felt directly, and conveyed in practical terms, and the other, being non-evaluative, expressed in intricate detail at the level of molecular processes?Except you aren’t actually describing one system in two different ways. It’s not simply that subjective language is just folk shorthand for brain processes. Subjective language describes conceptual relationships that do not exist in purely objective descriptions of brain states. For example, suppose you could relay every physical operation related to conceiving of a triangle. That story would tell you absolutely nothing about triangles. You cannot map one onto the other without losing something vital.
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