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Poll: Has art jumped the shark after WWI
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Yes, the old times is where it's at! Give me Rembrandt over Miró any time!
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No, modern art has its own justification
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I don't care.
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Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
(January 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Yes, how we define art is a result largely of cliquish opinions, but let's not forget that there are structures in play that determine what is and isn't art. Determining what is and isn't art isn't simply about a visceral emotional reaction, because we can elicit those emotions from things that are not art. Simply because a catchy song gives you the warm-fuzzies does not mean it is on par artistically with one that has been carefully crafted using musical theory. Creating art requires an understanding of the medium and how to manipulate it, and just because you hear a song on the radio that you enjoy, does not mean that the artist has a good understanding on that medium and has applied that understanding well. Similarly just because an author told a story that you enjoyed does not mean that the author carefully crafted their words at an artistic level.

It comes down to how well does the final product demonstrate the understanding of the medium that the artist had.

(January 5, 2015 at 2:14 pm)abaris Wrote: In short, he writes as we may talk. I see no additional value in word wanking as some authors do. When we're talking about poetry however, it would be a different matter.

It doesn't necessarily have to be word wanking. Phillip K. Dick is a great example of an author that effectively uses words as art without the wanking. It's about your approach and style, not how well you can use a thesaurus.

Stephen King's approach is very simplistic and straight forward. There's no creativity to it.

I'm likely to like what you like. But not necessarily to define art the way that you do.

(January 6, 2015 at 1:12 am)JuliaL Wrote: I hope you don't mind my asking but are these your work?
Yes or no, they are amazing!
I envy anyone who can show me a young woman spinning, a castle, a staircase with so few strokes. Strokes which, when viewed in isolation are just blobs. Intellectually I think that the artist is taking advantage of my processing network to activate a "castle neuron," but emotionally I just think WOW!

They are mine.

When I paint I see two ways at once: a simplified whole and lots of abstract little pieces---the simplicity, and, as you say, the blob.

(January 6, 2015 at 1:16 am)JuliaL Wrote:
(January 6, 2015 at 1:13 am)Jenny A Wrote: Yes. Art is about communication. That doesn't mean just communication with some high browed elite.
It does if you want to turn your US$20million into US$60million.
Too bad the artists never get this.

It depends on whether you sell 50 million copies for a dollar, or one copy for a million dollars. So far I've never managed either.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 9:01 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 9:58 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 6, 2015 at 1:05 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 10:00 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 10:12 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by DeistPaladin - January 5, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Nope - January 5, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 11:45 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Nope - January 6, 2015 at 12:18 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Gawdzilla - January 5, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 6, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 6, 2015 at 1:16 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 12:13 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Cato - January 6, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Cato - January 5, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Cato - January 5, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 2:57 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Ryantology - January 5, 2015 at 6:35 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 10:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 6, 2015 at 1:17 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 6, 2015 at 1:33 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 3:24 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 4:11 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Cato - January 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by c172 - January 5, 2015 at 8:11 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 8:21 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:03 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 6, 2015 at 12:41 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 6, 2015 at 1:12 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Whateverist - January 7, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by psychoslice - January 6, 2015 at 12:50 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Nope - January 6, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 6, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Nope - January 6, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by downbeatplumb - January 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 3:30 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 5:07 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Ryantology - January 7, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by c172 - January 8, 2015 at 10:35 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Whateverist - January 7, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by ManMachine - January 8, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 9, 2015 at 12:37 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Whateverist - January 9, 2015 at 7:00 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 9, 2015 at 7:34 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 10, 2015 at 1:23 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Whateverist - January 10, 2015 at 2:34 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by vorlon13 - January 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 9, 2015 at 8:02 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Ravenshire - January 9, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Regina - January 9, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 10, 2015 at 3:04 am

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