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Poll: Has art jumped the shark after WWI
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Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
(January 5, 2015 at 11:59 am)Alex K Wrote: But aren't there some absolute standards that allow us to say that say, a Bach fugue is a more intricate and complex creation than a more or less harmonically primitive I-IV-V-I pop song? It's not like all music is created equal.

More complex technically is not the same as more artistic. The Beatle's "Tomorrow Never Knows" is one C Major all the way through, but goddamn if it doesn't touch something very deep inside me with the way those marvelous lyrics are married to that hypnotic groove.

As a musician of 30+ years, formally educated in classical and jazz guitar, one of the big issues I have with music and musicians is the urge to be overly complex for no good reason. Sometimes, florid complexity is exactly what is needed to convey the emotion at hand; at other times, simplicity is the key.

They're both equally artistic, insofar as they move the listener, in my view. And in music in particular, a fetishism for technicality can often interfere with the appreciation of the listener. I've taught a couple of kids the basics of improvisational music and theory, and the point I try to make is one made first, I think, by Carlos Santana: The goal is not for you to play music; the goal is to let the music play you. What that means in the context of this conversation is that sticking a fast technical run in a song can be useful to communicate a mood -- but it can too often turn the song into a vehicle for ego, and that seems to undermine its artistic value.

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Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 9:01 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 9:58 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 6, 2015 at 1:05 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 10:00 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 10:12 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by DeistPaladin - January 5, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 11:12 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Nope - January 5, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 11:45 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Nope - January 6, 2015 at 12:18 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 2:53 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Gawdzilla - January 5, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 6, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 6, 2015 at 1:16 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 12:13 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Cato - January 6, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Cato - January 5, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 5, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 5, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Cato - January 5, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 2:57 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Ryantology - January 5, 2015 at 6:35 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 10:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 6, 2015 at 1:17 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 6, 2015 at 1:33 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 3:24 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 5, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 4:11 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Cato - January 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 5, 2015 at 7:54 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by c172 - January 5, 2015 at 8:11 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 8:21 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 5, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2015 at 12:03 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 6, 2015 at 12:41 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by JuliaL - January 6, 2015 at 1:12 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Whateverist - January 7, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by psychoslice - January 6, 2015 at 12:50 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Nope - January 6, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 6, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 6, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Nope - January 6, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by downbeatplumb - January 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 3:30 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Faith No More - January 7, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 7, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 5:02 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 5:07 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Ryantology - January 7, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by abaris - January 7, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by c172 - January 8, 2015 at 10:35 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Whateverist - January 7, 2015 at 7:46 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by ManMachine - January 8, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by thesummerqueen - January 9, 2015 at 12:37 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Whateverist - January 9, 2015 at 7:00 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 9, 2015 at 7:34 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Jenny A - January 10, 2015 at 1:23 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Whateverist - January 10, 2015 at 2:34 am
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by vorlon13 - January 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Alex K - January 9, 2015 at 8:02 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Ravenshire - January 9, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Regina - January 9, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 10, 2015 at 3:04 am

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