RE: Evidence??
January 8, 2015 at 9:05 am
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 9:08 am by robvalue.)
There is no set evidence for just "God" because God can mean virtually anything. You'll be lucky to find two people who agree on what they would define it as, if even of them can offer a coherent definition at all.
So you have to be very clear what you are talking about before you ask what evidence is necessary. But as always, the evidence you need is whatever it takes to establish the existence beyond reasonable doubt.
I can say I am God if I want, and I have enough evidence to conclude I exist, therefor "God" exists. I can't then use the same evidence for any other definition of God, though. So if you say God is everything, then god exists, it's a tautology. But that tells you nothing about any other crazy "God" someone can concoct.
Bottom line, it's a stupid word anyway. It just arbitrarily adds a load of baggage and near-impossible qualities to something you haven't even identified properly, or can present any evidence of, in the first place.
So claim first, then evidence of that specific claim
Atheists have no agenda of ignoring evidence. First, you need a coherent and falsifiable claim. No one in my experience has even got that far. Then you can present evidence for it.
So you have to be very clear what you are talking about before you ask what evidence is necessary. But as always, the evidence you need is whatever it takes to establish the existence beyond reasonable doubt.
I can say I am God if I want, and I have enough evidence to conclude I exist, therefor "God" exists. I can't then use the same evidence for any other definition of God, though. So if you say God is everything, then god exists, it's a tautology. But that tells you nothing about any other crazy "God" someone can concoct.
Bottom line, it's a stupid word anyway. It just arbitrarily adds a load of baggage and near-impossible qualities to something you haven't even identified properly, or can present any evidence of, in the first place.
So claim first, then evidence of that specific claim
Atheists have no agenda of ignoring evidence. First, you need a coherent and falsifiable claim. No one in my experience has even got that far. Then you can present evidence for it.
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