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Implications of not having free will
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RE: Implications of not having free will
(January 7, 2015 at 10:00 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Do you think it can be seen as suggestive, as theists would probably argue, that properties of mind, or our concepts such as "truth" and "morality," have a metaphysical basis that is more fundamental in the grand scheme of things, i.e. the structure of reality, the fabric of the cosmos, the cement of the universe? Or is that, as some say (I think rightly), a meaningless question?

I apologise for being slow, I'm going to have to try and clarify your question...
Do you mean - do I think that a deterministic universe suggests that products of the human mind are more fundamentally real than physical objects?

If that was the question, I wouldn't say that products of the mind like morality were more fundamental than the more obvious aspects of reality that you can pick up and hold in your hand; I would say they were equally as real because they are part of the same system.

This does of course then lead me to have to accept that a man who has conversations with his left shoe is experiencing no less real a form of reality than myself... hmmmm. I guess Stephen Hawking's goldfish bowl analogy could be relevant here:

"A few years ago the city council of Monza, Italy, barred pet owners from keeping goldfish in curved goldfish bowls. The measure's sponsor explained the measure in part by saying that it is cruel to keep a fish in a bowl with curved sides because, gazing out, the fish would have a distorted view of reality. But how do we know we have the true, undistorted picture of reality? Might not we ourselves also be inside some big goldfish bowl and have our vision distorted by an enormous lens? The goldfish's picture of reality is different from ours, but can we be sure it is less real?"

I won't go on until you reassure me that I'm answering the right question anyhow!

(January 7, 2015 at 8:16 pm)Alex K Wrote: Depends on what we call choosing, doesn't it?

Would you disagree that cause and effect would be maintained even if we could go one of two or more ways at a single point in time?
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Implications of not having free will - by Spacedog - January 7, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Dystopia - January 7, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Esquilax - January 7, 2015 at 7:30 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Dystopia - January 7, 2015 at 7:35 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by JuliaL - January 7, 2015 at 9:04 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Angrboda - January 7, 2015 at 6:18 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Dystopia - January 7, 2015 at 7:23 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by bennyboy - January 8, 2015 at 8:22 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 6:29 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Spacedog - January 7, 2015 at 7:59 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Anomalocaris - January 9, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by JuliaL - January 9, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by IATIA - January 7, 2015 at 6:33 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by IATIA - January 7, 2015 at 7:15 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Spacedog - January 7, 2015 at 7:33 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Mudhammam - January 7, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Spacedog - January 7, 2015 at 8:21 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Mudhammam - January 7, 2015 at 10:00 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Spacedog - January 8, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Mudhammam - January 9, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Spacedog - January 26, 2015 at 6:41 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Alex K - January 7, 2015 at 8:16 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by professor - January 26, 2015 at 7:05 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by IATIA - January 26, 2015 at 7:12 pm
RE: Implications of not having free will - by Pyrrho - February 8, 2015 at 5:48 pm

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