Evidence??

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No problem! Very happy it has helped

It seems I've achieved what I wanted, which is simply to inspire thought. And to test myself on what I think I know, and why. The fact that several theists have just insulted me rather than even attempt to define God, let alone make a testable claim, is pretty clear evidence that they have not given it much thought before. The word "God" gets tossed about so freely that everyone has a vague idea of what it is meant to mean, but when pushed cannot define it in a way other than describing powers and actions.

And since science has pushed the need for speculation further and further back, so any "definitions" of God get more remote. He's not physical. He's outside of the universe. He's outside of time. Firstly, how the hell can you possibly know these things, and what goes on outside the only reality you know about. And secondly, if the God is behind all the shields of testing so you can't ever prove he doesn't exist, you can't get to him to prove he does either. He's just a question mark floating around in your mind, and you just assume it must mean something.

As I said in my thread, I can't make a testable God claim. Not one that isn't as trivial as "the sun is God and it exists". To attempt to make a testable claim about Yahweh, for example, is something I cannot do. So my reasoning is that if we can't even define something adequately, let alone put it into a testable claim, then it's not nearly so "obviously existent" as people like to think.

I very much appreciate the feedback Theists may view me as just trying to show off, making bogus arguments or trying to catch them out. But all I really ask is that they think. If I have made errors in my own thinking, I'm always more than happy to have them pointed out. But just insulting me does not get the job done, you need reasoned arguments. I will be very impressed if someone can meet the God claim, because it's beyond me.