RE: Is Islam the religion of peace.....pffft....NO
January 11, 2015 at 8:05 pm
(This post was last modified: January 11, 2015 at 8:14 pm by Brian37.)
(January 11, 2015 at 5:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(January 11, 2015 at 1:47 pm)robvalue Wrote: Okay bye then. I had high hopes for you too
High hopes that he would withstand some abhorrent treatment and stick around to be some numb skulls punch bag?
The guy was trying to be reasonable. Damn you guys treat this place like therapy lol. I seriously think we should have a section just for venting so it doesn't leak all over the forums and scare decent people off.
How is it you managed to stay here all this time when we said similar things to you? Do you want people to fear others and be insecure with their positions are do you want them to at a minimum to be brave enough to defend their positions?
He didn't run away because of our word choice, he ran away because we didn't roll over and go "oh, that's cute".
(January 11, 2015 at 5:47 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(January 11, 2015 at 5:01 pm)robvalue Wrote: Erm, it's called debate. If people don't want to debate, they shouldn't make claims they can't back up.
It's a shame, he showed promise. I think he is too touchy about his religion.
Haha!
He was blasted for telling people the same thingAs far as I saw he was very much prepared to back up everything that he said. Brian was ranting at him about things he never said, and not addressing anything he actually said, just like he does me. It was an offloading session for hurt people letting loose on a visitor here for debate. Min said "fuck all of you". This is not debate Rob. This is therapy.
Um yes I did. I was responding to the claim that Christianity brought civility to the west. Christians certainly claim that but as I said before, that was our evolutionary empathy doing that, not the religion itself. The west became civil in spite of religion, not because of it. Just like Islam you can find very tribal verses in the bible where God condones, sanctions or punishes himself, those who disobey, dissent or are outsiders.
It was only when Christians refused to do what the bible said because their real empathy was kicking in they started cherry picking the bible and skipped the violent verses that the west became civil. They watered it down to justify civility.
And again, that cherry picking does not avoid their prior barbaric past, nor does it change the final book in which all non Christians get tortured forever. So it is very apt to equate such a character like an abusive spouse because that is what they do. The beat you into submission, then when that doesn't work they say they are sorry but they did it because they love you, then they go back to being violent anyway.
Yes it is shocking to the theist to think of it in that light, but there is no other way to view this God character once you stop cherry picking take the entire book as it is.
Now if he wants us to sugar coat what we think about that book, he is asking us to lie to him and lie to ourselves, which is dishonest.
