RE: My privilege as a straight, white, cisgender, middle class thin male
January 13, 2015 at 7:03 pm
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2015 at 7:08 pm by Dystopia.)
Really? One of the known effects of privilege is that it's invisible to those who benefit from it. After all, I was a white straight male since birth, I obviously never noticed that I had it much easier than others.
Paulpablo, consider the demographics of western societies - That are, undeniably largely white, and this is true for America, despite the immigrant population, and the same applies to Europe - Vocal minorities like Muslims in France don't disprove the existence of largely white populations (regardless of the "kind" of white) and the fact whites are richer, have more education and hold the majority of important jobs from politics to CEO's and media.
Check out this. And I don't care about your personal situation, it's not evidence for anything, if we consider that the average person of colour is poorer than a white person, it becomes completely irrelevant because the only area people of colour don't suffer from lack of privilege is inside poor, segregated, highly criminal urban areas (exceptions don't defy the general rule btw) - For the purpose I consider anyone who is at least 51% white to be white.
You still haven't managed to disprove because I actually presented my case with reasons that favour groups over another. It's very easy to deny the existence of privilege when you're benefiting from it - In fact, it's a win win situation for privileged groups. There's also documented evidence for my case, if there's any subject you need evidence or clearing, ask me that I'll send you what you need.
Also on male privilege, check out this.
On gay and trans* people, I think it's so obvious that I don't need to dig further. Do you need anything on poor people or thin people?
The fact people don't take it seriously doesn't mean it's not needed.
Paulpablo, consider the demographics of western societies - That are, undeniably largely white, and this is true for America, despite the immigrant population, and the same applies to Europe - Vocal minorities like Muslims in France don't disprove the existence of largely white populations (regardless of the "kind" of white) and the fact whites are richer, have more education and hold the majority of important jobs from politics to CEO's and media.
Check out this. And I don't care about your personal situation, it's not evidence for anything, if we consider that the average person of colour is poorer than a white person, it becomes completely irrelevant because the only area people of colour don't suffer from lack of privilege is inside poor, segregated, highly criminal urban areas (exceptions don't defy the general rule btw) - For the purpose I consider anyone who is at least 51% white to be white.
You still haven't managed to disprove because I actually presented my case with reasons that favour groups over another. It's very easy to deny the existence of privilege when you're benefiting from it - In fact, it's a win win situation for privileged groups. There's also documented evidence for my case, if there's any subject you need evidence or clearing, ask me that I'll send you what you need.
Also on male privilege, check out this.
On gay and trans* people, I think it's so obvious that I don't need to dig further. Do you need anything on poor people or thin people?
Quote:But do you not think that pissing people off has the opposite effect of getting people to listen though? This is part of the reason I think some people are struggling to take internet "SOCIAL JUSTICE!!!!" seriously.Atheism pisses people off as well. I don't care.
The fact people don't take it seriously doesn't mean it's not needed.
Quote:"Pissing people off" isn't going to encourage people to listen to what you have to say, really it's just going to make them run a mile.They can shove their ignorance up their asses before running.
Quote:I can't see why we can't just discuss racism, sexism, homophobia and all other nasty-isms and phobias. They do need discussing, they haven't vanished and that was never my point. However, bloggers on these platforms seem incapable of going straight to the point on whatever the problem is. It has to go into this pissing contest of "I've had it more tragic than you". That's very difficult for any adult with good social skills to take seriously. It comes off self-pitiful, holier-than-thou and above all else petty. It's childish schoolyard mentality.This is a biased illogical and wrong opinion. Most of those social justice warriors have full articles backed up by studies, facts, and don't use personal situations as an excuse. In fact some of them are white males
Quote:But it seems like whenever someone points this out, it's "oh this person is anti-feminist!" or "you are so privileged and you can't see your privilege!". I don't think seeing flaws in it is anti-feminist, I just think it's having your own opinion.No but ignoring the other side and ignoring the fact you have social benefits isn't the solution either. Simply replying "I am white and have been discriminated against" doesn't justify discriminating blacks (people use this excuse) and doesn't erase the fact most discrimination is against blacks or people of colour.
Quote:Otherwise I can generally agree with what you said. The concept of "privilege" and "intersectionality" are fine on paper like I said before, I just think there are flaws. It's an over-simplified view of the world, where two people with "identical" identities can have dramatically difference experiences based on surroundings. These things don't happen in a vacuum.Yes, but most likely one will have it better, it is statistically verifiable. The average white person is more likely to be born on a richer family, have better education, household, to be accepted into politics, as a CEO, to not be arrested unjustly or given a too harsh sentence, etc. Do you seem where I'm going? It's probability, I'm not saying it's always like this. But the probability is there and for a reason - It's called discrimination
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you