Oklahoma Republican wants to make secular marriage impossible.

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Why must everything be a fallacy to you guys?

It's only everything when you talk.

I don't believe you guys actually know what the word means, especially after someone called the concept of "justice" a fallacy.

We're also not one monolithic bloc, so I'm not required to answer for the incorrect positions of others. As it stands, and as has been pointed out to you now, the appeal to tradition is a recognized fallacy.

Since everything must be spelled out for you "critical thinkers", this is the point I was making.

Don't mistake disagreement with what you're saying for misunderstanding what you're saying. If you find yourself constantly having to explain things in further detail to us, consider the fact that the sole common denominator in those interactions is that it's you making the initial point.

So why the surprise if a document invented in order discriminate, is still used to discriminate? And why would you want such a document?

I don't really care what they were used for in the past, nor is that relevant to the issue at hand; if we recognize that discrimination is bad, then the fact that something used to have a discriminatory purpose is no reason to allow it to keep that purpose. Why is it that so many of your positions seem to boil down to "two wrongs make a right."?

My point in bringing up common law marriages was to show that at one point in (America) time, marriage licenses weren't required, and even now, like 9 states still recognize common law marriage. So the question is, why is something that is a basic human right (you know, the whole life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing), being made into a privilege by the government?

If anyone can reasonably obtain the license, then it's hardly a privilege one has to strive for. It's only the discriminatory practices exemplified in my link that makes this difficult; it took me all of twenty minutes to obtain my own marriage license.

To be clear, this isn't an issue I care about, there are more pressing issues than gay marriage.

You complain about constantly having to explain things to us, but you've apparently missed that this is about secular marriage in general, not gay marriage in particular.