RE: Idealism is more Rational than Materialism
February 2, 2015 at 10:07 am
(This post was last modified: February 2, 2015 at 10:10 am by Rational AKD.)
(February 2, 2015 at 9:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: Am "I"? Does "doubting"? What is "consciousness"? I know, I know, you've swallowed the cogito....unfortunately it's not a strictly rational statement - though many do find it to b compelling, of course.consciousness is the quality or state of awareness. this includes being aware objects you perceive and being aware of yourself. to doubt is to express uncertainty. you can't be uncertain without being aware.
(February 2, 2015 at 9:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: While it is difficult to conceptualize some situation in which I think, but am not, or that there is no I, but there is thinking from a point of igorance of that process, even if one accepts the cogito that still leaves open the question "what am I"it is impossible to conceptualize a situation where "I think, but I am not" because there needs to be an "I" in order to have "I think." to say otherwise is contradicting yourself.
(February 2, 2015 at 9:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: I say your dreams are descriptions of the states of a physical machine.even so, it's still a world in your head without need for actual physical substances. regardless of what you think is behind dreams, it can't be disputed there are no physical objects in dreams. just mental projections of physical objects.
(February 2, 2015 at 9:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: Stop asserting that the other side is wrong, pretending that the position does not existI am saying even if you're a materialist, you can't deny your experience is mental. the physical world has no color, no taste, no sound. yet these are all things you perceive. materialists thing it's just the brain creating an interpretation of reality and causing us to perceive. regardless, it's undeniable that we experience a world that is a mentally constructed. so why think the mind is creating this world based of an interpretation of the brain? it takes less assumptions to assert the mind is creating the world rather interpreting it from an unobservable substance.
(February 2, 2015 at 9:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: All hinges on what you think consciousness isit is your awareness. you are aware of your dreams yet they are not comprised of physical objects. I know you think dreams are caused by physical processes, but you can't deny the what you perceive in them is not physical. dreams are imaginary. I think you can acknowledge a difference between imaginary and material objects. therefore you regularly conceive of a world that is mentally constructed, regardless of what you think causes mind.
(February 2, 2015 at 9:36 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: How is "something that appears to be real but in reality isn't real" not an illusion?I only addressed something appearing to be the case when not actually the case concerning unconsciousness. in which case I would agree. unconsciousness is an illusion and is actually a different state of consciousness.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
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