Evidence God Exists: Part II

[Thor]

I personally applaud Thor for taking AngelThMan's text

Seems like a lot of work to go through for a moron who thinks the bible is true. No amount of effort will dissuade him from believing (without evidence) that pile of shit.

You're right... it was a lot of work. But I can't let someone drop a load of bullshit without challenging it. I'm probably not going to change the mind of the true believer, but I'm at least going to let him (or her) know that there is no rational basis for what they believe.

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You're making fun of my text, and implying I lack education, and made the quip that my high school wants my diplomat back. And yet you don't know what the word exclusive means, which I bolded so that people didn't miss it. All the examples you give above are of species that use elements of nature, but not exclusively. Meaning no other species uses that same element of nature.

Uh, yeah, I do know what "exclusive" means. And, as I pointed out, man does not EXCLUSIVELY use fire. There are certain plants that need fire to reproduce. Or did you not read that in my earlier post?

So "God" gave us water?

Uhmm...yes. I'm a believer, remember? Is this a smart question to ask?

So you believe that your loving deity gave us water. Then answer this... did your "loving" deity also give us plague, malaria, influenza, smallpox, diptheria, tuberculosis, internal parasites, ticks, mosquitos, lice and poisonous snakes?

Water has many uses for us, but in the context of my post, I'm saying that God made fire controllable by water.

And as Tav pointed out, depending on the type of fire, water can make the fire WORSE.

As is throwing dirt on a fire...

That's another way. What exactly are you proving here? Did I say water is the only thing that puts out a fire? It isn't, but water is the most powerful combatant of fire.

Again, as Tav mentioned, the most powerful combatant of fire is to remove air by smothering the fire. If what you believe is true, you'd think "God" would have made it easier to perform this task.

You're right. Water is not a mineral. The word meant to be used here was 'substance.' It was a mix up as I was writing the text at 3 am when I was very tired.

Maybe you shouldn't be posting things if you're so tired and prone to making simple mistakes.

This is so dumb I won't even address it. Okay, maybe I will. Oil is a fire accelerant, so of course adding that to the mix will make the fire more difficult to contain.

And you miss the point. The point is that you cannot extinguish an oil fire with water! Have you ever seen anyone try to put out a burning oil well with water? IT DOESN'T WORK!

But the best weapon is still water.

No, the best weapon is to deny the fire oxygen.

'Capable' and 'works every time' are two different things and you know it.

And, again, as Tav pointed out, water does not extinguish a fire "every time".

This paragraph is so unbelievably ridiculous that I can't believe anyone would utter it in an attempt to demonstrate "intelligent design". Without smoke, "fire would creep up and destroy people"? Are you kidding me? What usually kills people in a fire? IT'S NOT THE FIRE! It is smoke inhalation!

Now you're turning into a PSA.

No, I'm pointing out the faultiness of your logic.

So, your "intelligent designer" provided us with a "warning system" that kills us! Some intelligence!

Water can kill us, and yet it has other crucial benefits.

Yes, water is necessary for us to survive. Can't say that about smoke, can we?

The inhalation of smoke in enclosed environments can be fatal,

"Enclosed environments"? So you think no one has ever died of smoke inhalation OUTDOORS?

but now you're talking about fires that have raged out of control,

Not true at all. People die in their sleep of smoke inhalation well before the fire has gotten out of control. Again, this is just a terrific "warning system". Would anyone design a burglar alarm that causes a shotgun to shoot them in the head if someone tries to break into their house?

or situations in which people have been trapped or foolishly remained indoors too long, etc.

"Foolishly remained indoors"? Like when they're SLEEPING?

But all this is entirely a different issue.

Yes, it is. But I can understand why you'd try to obfuscate....

If you're going to paint these types of scenarios, then I can just as easily add face masks, or techniques such as laying low to the ground to avoid inhalation, which are considered very effective.

And did these face masks drop out of the sky? What does this have to do with my point?

What I was trying to point out is that when a fire is starting or approaching us, smoke serves as a warning that gives us time to act and either run or try to locate and put out the fire.

Yeah, that red glow in the distance, the sound of crackling underbrush and all the animals fleeing aren't enough of a warning. Your briliiant deity decided to throw smoke into the equation! Something that causes far more harm than good. If what you say is true, then I would say your deity is a retard.

Really? Show me the plant that cures cancer. Or macular degeneration. Or Parkinson's Disease. Or muscular dystrophy. Or Down's Syndrome. Or diabetes. Or cystic fibrosis. Etc, etc....

Have you ever heard of antioxidants, which help treat or prevent cancer and some of the other diseases you have mentioned?

And yet you have failed to show me any plants that cure any of the diseases I have mentioned.

You also have to consider that not all the medicinal benefits of plants and herbs have been discovered.

No shit. But why doesn't your loving deity simply tell us what plants will cure what diseases? Why do we have to take many years of research to develop something that he could point out to us in a second? In the meantime, people suffer and die.

But you're missing the point. There's no reason, for the survival of its species, for bananas to evolutionarily develop a powerful antioxidant in its skin which has health benefits and is curative to man.

There's no reason why shrimp should be so delicious when eaten by man. You think "God" made them specifically for us to eat?

Looking at this from an angle open to intelligent design, you can see how someone might be looking out for us.

Not at all. Because if someone were "looking out for us" he would have made it so we DON'T NEED antioxidants, herbs or medicines. He also would not have created poisonous plants, deadly insects, scorpions, spiders, allergies, asthma, fatty foods or male pattern baldness.

I don't know. That's the problem with atheists. They want to know everything right now, despite the fact we've been told and it has been written that certain mysteries will be revealed to us later.

Oh, gee.... you mean I'll find out after I'm dead?

Are you related to Ray Comfort? And you do realize that the bananas we have today are the result of human cultivation? The bananas that existed a few hundred years ago look nothing like the banana you get in the grocery store.

It doesn't matter. If Ray Comfort succumbed to this atheist argument, supposedly apologizing for his claim, well that's him, but it has nothing to do with me or my views. If I can believe in evolution as God's tool, then I can just as easily assert that hybridization is also God's tool, and he made it possible and gave us the intelligence to carry it out.

By this "logic" you can credit "God" with absolutely anything! "God" produced the airplane! "God" produced the automobile! "God" produced the space shuttle! "God" produced the nuclear power plant! "God" is responsible for open heart surgery! Of course, if you're going to use this as your argument, then "God" is also responsible for child pornography, heroin, cocaine, torture devices, concentration camps and Pauly Shore movies.