RE: Is Christianity based on older myths?
February 4, 2015 at 11:15 am
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2015 at 11:27 am by YGninja.)
(February 2, 2015 at 1:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: In Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus" he makes this observation:
Quote:In Plutarch's biography of Romulus, the founder of Rome, we are told he was the son of god, born of a virgin; an attempt is made to kill him as a baby, and he is saved, and raised by a poor family, becoming a lowly
shepherd; then as a man he becomes beloved by the people, hailed as king, and killed by the conniving elite; then he rises from the dead, appears to a friend to tell the good news to his people, and ascends to heaven to rule from on high. Just like Jesus.
If anyone wants to read Plutarch to check up on Carrier it is available on line. Plutarch cites Diocles of Peparethus as his source and this man lived c 300 BC. You see, historians...unlike bible bullshitters....discuss their sources.
1:Got any actual quotes, or are you relying on interpretation?
2: Plutarch died almost 100 years after Christ, Christianity was well developed before he wrote the book.
3: Plutarch lives around 8-900 years after Romulus is claimed to have lived. Can we trust the source, even if you could show the claims are actually in there? Its hardly first hand evidence, now. Atheists like to jump on the issue that the first gospels were probably written some 30 years after Christs death, how much more skeptical should they be of a document written 8-900 years after?
(February 4, 2015 at 11:09 am)Chas Wrote:(February 4, 2015 at 11:03 am)YGninja Wrote: 1: There aren't very significant similarities between Mithras/Osiris and Jesus
2: The Egyptian religion was enforced by the state, same with many other religions, while Christianity grew despite the state.
3: Jesus was a real person, there is practically no debate amongst scholars of antiquity. Even if we were to exclude the Biblical sources, there are many others such as Tacitus et al. This before we even try to explain the rapid rise of Christianity if there were no Christ.
Tacitus referred to Christians, not to Jesus.
The rapid rise of Christianity happened centuries after the alleged events.
Got anything else?
"Christus, the founder of the [Christian] name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius. But the
pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, by through the city of
Rome also." Tacitus Annals XV, 44, AD ~115. (Even this source demonstrates CHristianity had spread from Judea to Rome before the time of writing)
Tacitus was a Roman historian and senator, writing merely some 60-70 years after the event. Hardly likely he is mistaken
Christianity had reached Rome by about AD 50, and before AD 100 had established over 40 international bases.
"Many of these Early Christians were merchants and others who had practical reasons for traveling to northern Africa, Asia Minor, Arabia, Greece, and other places.[4][5][6] Over 40 such communities were established by the year 100,[5][6] many in Anatolia, also known as Asia Minor, such as the Seven Churches of Asia. By the end of the first century, Christianity had already spread to Rome, India, and major cities in Armenia, Greece and Syria, serving as foundations for the expansive spread of Christianity, eventually throughout the world."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_cente...anity#Rome