(February 9, 2015 at 5:25 pm)TheMessiah Wrote:(February 9, 2015 at 5:15 pm)robvalue Wrote: We had about a 100 page "discussion" on HJ that led absolutely nowhere. The evidence, such as it is, is highly inconclusive. And that's being generous. I think if you want to hammer it out we should start a new thread for it Or dig up the old one :o
It's so inconsequential though. At best you've got some insane preacher or other, with 50% at best quotes correctly attributed to him, who probably did next to none of the stuff he was meant to do. Who cares? He was either no one, or some loser, or a legion of several weirdos. What he was not was of any significance whatsoever, except through myth.
I kick Jesus in the balls every day. I don't think any atheists actually care whether there was a HJ or not. But it would be funny to watch the no-jesus show.
I was pointing out, that I find it interesting that lesser known Historical characters historicity is accepted despite lesser evidence than that of Jesus; whereas Jesus, whom has more evidence to his probable existence as a man and revolutionary is put to more scrutiny. I do believe that the rampant popularity of Jesus leads people to demand more evidence of his existence.
Quote: We have references to him in the works of his followers that date to within a few decades of his death. Then we have Josephus. Even if you dismiss Antiquities XVIII.63 wholesale (as most scholars don't), there's still Antiquities XX.9 to contend with. And then there's Tacitus. Compared to other Jewish preachers, prophets and wannabe Messiahs of the time - people like Theudas, the Egyptian, Hillel, Gamaliel and the Baptist - Jesus is actually comparatively well-attested.
You're going to have to provide some more accurate evidence buddy.
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