RE: Contradictions in "rational" thought
August 15, 2010 at 4:24 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2010 at 4:25 am by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(August 15, 2010 at 2:52 am)RAD Wrote: Without seeing them, I can probably logically wreck most of those by showing they employ a logical fallacy, or show they contradict another argument.I would really like to see a few examples (or as many as you care to list) of you actually doing that.
(August 15, 2010 at 2:52 am)RAD Wrote: Er, let's try to think of two different contexts of the claim that the God of our huge universe shouldn't care. The context in one case is he's trying to show how arrogant Christians are. In the other context (well known actually) the atheist is arguing that if God wanted us to believe, he's do a lot more than he does. An OBVIOUS DISCONNECT. SheeshWhy would an atheist care about what god wants for this odd example of yours to occur?
(August 15, 2010 at 2:52 am)RAD Wrote: Some atheists are probably seeing my point and saying nothing (No I can't prove it) A few are defending the indefensible because it hasn't dawned on them the "rational" could be a figment of the beholder's self-absorbed imagination. That's why they keep arguing that some how the context must hopefully, maybe, some way make a difference.I've been silently watching in on the arguements. I've not kept up-to-date with every post, but I've been getting the gist of what's been going on, but I thought this was done and over with pages ago when we determined that your contradictions ... well... aren't. Now you're saying that rational is illusory? I'm certain it seems that way when you're attempting to defend irrational assumptions with a fully irrational arguement, but none of these things hold water. I'm simply going to assume that you don't understand what being rational actually means if you continue to believe what you just said.
(August 15, 2010 at 2:52 am)RAD Wrote: It's rather infantile, which is why I don't think most atheists need any context to see the point. They've heard both pairs of arguments if they've done this awhile, and either know the context or recognize them as stand alone.Does this really matter? Even if different atheists arguing disjointed positions on a similar topic does contradict one another, it doesn't actually mean anything. It especially doesn't mean any of the conclusions you seem to think it means judging from this post and some of the earlier ones.
(August 15, 2010 at 2:52 am)RAD Wrote: By the way, do you think an extant God of this enormous universe should ignore us completely, or do you think he should come down here and prove he exists by healing all the blind people, as one atheist told me? If the latter, isn't that rather arrogant?No. There's no reason that requesting God's presence on earth, assuming his existance is actually known to someone, is not a perfectly legitimate request. Arrogance is assuming we already know what your deity wants without his intercession based on a heavily flawed book.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
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Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan