Evidence God Exists: Part II

[AngelThMan]

You're making fun of my text, and implying I lack education, and made the quip that my high school wants my diplomat back. And yet you don't know what the word exclusive means, which I bolded so that people didn't miss it. All the examples you give above are of species that use elements of nature, but not exclusively. Meaning no other species uses that same element of nature.

Uh, yeah, I do know what "exclusive" means.

And yet you gave examples of bats using caves, and bugs living under rocks. Neither caves nor rocks are exclusively used by those or any species. Had I made an equivalent error, atheists would have been all over me. But all you got was praise. Tavachildish applauded you for supposedly "dismantling" my text.

And, as I pointed out, man does not EXCLUSIVELY use fire. There are certain plants that need fire to reproduce. Or did you not read that in my earlier post?

I sure did. But this is reaching. Certain plants thrive in situations where there is fire. But these are fires started by man or nature. There are no plants or animals that can start or cultivate fire at will.

So "God" gave us water?

[quote='Thor']So you believe that your loving deity gave us water. Then answer this... did your "loving" deity also give us plague, malaria, influenza, smallpox, diptheria, tuberculosis, internal parasites, ticks, mosquitos, lice and poisonous snakes?

Neither God, nor the bible, nor any theologian has ever claimed that the world God created for us here is perfect. The claim is that heaven is perfect. Our world is not heaven.

It's funny how atheists can use the examples you just gave as signs there's no God, and yet I'm not afforded the same consideration when I use equivalent examples that point towards intelligent design.

Have you ever seen anyone try to put out a burning oil well with water? IT DOESN'T WORK!

Oil and grease fires happen as a result of man-made situations. The elements of oil and grease are added by humans. So of course the rules are modified, and other means need to be employed to extinguish these fires. That's like saying apples taste good, and someone else saying, "Have you ever eaten an apple with vinegar on it? It doesn't taste so good."

Fire, in its basic form, which is how God provided it to us, is best controlled by water. And with such fire, smoke is a built-in warning system. House and building fires involve man-made elements, starting with the house and the building.

What usually kills people in a fire? IT'S NOT THE FIRE! It is smoke inhalation!

You and others have been jumping thousands and even millions of years ahead and assuming I meant structural fires in civilized environments. My example is of fire in its basic form, as it was provided to us.

...or situations in which people have been trapped or foolishly remained indoors too long, etc.

"Foolishly remained indoors"? Like when they're SLEEPING?

I did include the words "trapped" and "etc." in my sentence. But of course to discredit me you need to make it sound like I meant that people only remain indoors foolishly. This is a very immature way of debating.

People do sometimes remain indoors foolishly. They've been known to hide in closets, under the bed, etc. In London, there was a restaurant fire, and though the establishment started filling up with smoke, everyone stayed in the restaurant because they were too embarrassed to stand up and leave. They all died of smoke inhalation. So you see, my statement was accurate. There are people who foolishly stay indoors during a fire.

[quote='Thor']And did these face masks drop out of the sky? What does this have to do with my point?

You described man-made scenarios (oil and grease fires), so I was adding masks and survival techniques, also man-made.

You also have to consider that not all the medicinal benefits of plants and herbs have been discovered.

...But why doesn't your loving deity simply tell us what plants will cure what diseases? Why do we have to take many years of research to develop something that he could point out to us in a second?...

Because we're not in heaven. Things are not perfect. People, including Christians, must experience trials and tribulations while in this world. Christ himself was poor and died violently. So the examples you've been using to try to invalidate God are meaningless.

But you're missing the point. There's no reason, for the survival of its species, for bananas to evolutionarily develop a powerful antioxidant in its skin which has health benefits and is curative to man.

There's no reason why shrimp should be so delicious when eaten by man. You think "God" made them specifically for us to eat?

Not a good analogy, and here's why: If a believer used the taste of shrimp as a sign of intelligent design, atheists would immediately counter it by saying our palate was develop through years of evolution.

But, as you know, it has taken plants and animals millions of years to evolve into what they are today. Which means the banana started developing an antioxidant which helps prevent and treat certain diseases that didn't even exist way back then (eg. cancer). As an evolutionary mechanism, why did the banana develop this antioxidant?

...That's the problem with atheists. They want to know everything right now, despite the fact we've been told and it has been written that certain mysteries will be revealed to us later.

Oh, gee.... you mean I'll find out after I'm dead?

You just might. (Sorry, couldn't resist that one.)