Best description of Christianity

[Huggy Bear]

Faulty logic and a misrepresentation of reality. I've not seen a better representation of Christianity than the above.

In 15 words or less, your description of Christianity (or religion in general)

Faulty logic? Which one of you can rationalize the universe and it's existence? If you can't rationalize the creation, how do you propose to rationalize the creator?

While were on the subject of faulty logic, what about all you guys "believing" Denmark has a secular government when it is a FACT that it does not, and to this day, despite all the evidence presented, not one of you will acknowledge you were wrong.

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Don't bother. You could explain, in parsimonious terms, things like nominal ascriptions, codified constitutions, the nature of governmental structures, de jure defacto, and so on, and stay dry all night here would still fail to get it.

Give him a plastic toy gun and this guy would still manage to shoot himself in the foot.

You're seriously delusional.
This is a clear example of the mindset of an atheist, If you won't accept that Denmark's government is in fact NOT secular which is easily provable, how are you going to even begin to discuss spiritual matters?

Your own quote (in bold for clarity)
http://atheistforums.org/thread-30615-po...#pid835049

Secularism Gurantees what ive highlighted you suggest in the above post. It gives people the ability to chose a religion (or no-religion) without the state choosing for then. It prevents a state mandated religion from either existing or enforcing it's rules and dogmas on the body politic.

Now if that's not the 'freedom to chose' I don't know what is.

so according to YOU, secularism prevents a state mandated religion.
This link is taken from your own post.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-30615-po...#pid846133
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Denmark

Of all the religions in Denmark, the most prominent is Christianity in the form of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark, the state religion.

Also according to YOU secularism "gives people the ability to chose a religion (or no-religion) without the state choosing for them"
This link is also taken from your exact same post
http://atheistforums.org/thread-30615-po...#pid846133
http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/csrpl/rinv...enmark.htm

Let me briefly summarize what the State-church system implies:

• According to the constitution (§ 54), the Lutheran-evangelic Church is the Danish People’s Church (“Folkekirke”), and is, as such, supported by the State, which means that the Lutheran-evangelic religion and its institutions and churches are given a favored place among religions in Danish society. All tax-paying citizens, regardless of their personal religious beliefs, thus contribute to the priests and bishops of the “Folkekirke.”

• Practically all citizens are automatically born as members of the “Folkekirke.” Not to be so demands that the citizens take the initiative to leave the church. At present 83 percent of the Danish population belong to the “Folkekirke.”

Denmark, then, from one point of view is clearly a Christian country—as are by the same standards the other Scandinavian countries.

This amalgamates into what I for want of a better label would label a secularised Lutheranism as a dominant cosmology in Denmark. Although Denmark (and Sweden) is a country in which most of the citizens by tradition belong to the State church, Christianity as a religion does not characterize the life of any large segment of the population.

Need I go on?
Denmark clearly does not have separation between church and state, yet you fail to acknowledge your own evidence proving this fact.

You're contradicting yourself dude.

I can't wait to hear your next excuse....

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It appears Fidel_Castronaut changed his name to Pandæmonium

Then theres this post
http://atheistforums.org/thread-24301-po...#pid613111
Upon mentioning that the words "slave" and "slaves" were only appear once in the King James Bible proving that there is a clear distinction between "slavery" and "servitude". According to Bad wolf, that's Just semantics.
(relevant parts in bold)

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Leviticus 25
39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
40 But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile.

Don't play semantics with me. They were slaves. They were treated as property, they were not paid, and they could not leave whenever they wanted. The fact that you are appealing to word games is pathetic.

except that the KJV doesn't use the word "slave"

Is that all you are reduced to? Pathetic word games?

they were paid a pittance. here is part of a post I found describing life in that time period.

Its irrelevant how much they were paid. They were servants, not slaves. They were not bought and passed around as property, they were not allowed to be beaten, and they could leave and quit their job whenever they want. Give up, you are just plain wrong on this

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It's only semantics when it's not your argument right?

This is from the same thread starting here
http://atheistforums.org/thread-24301-po...#pid615618
where Esquilax claims the words "property" and "possesion" mean the same thing.
(only quoiting the relevant points, feel free to read for yourself)

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Show me in the King James Version of the Bible where it states that a servant/slave is property.

Okay, but I think it's interesting that you don't already know this:

"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."

You kinda fucked up, there. That's the whole verse though, so no whining about context, and if you try to play if off by referring to the last sentence, I'll have to tell you again that that's restricted to the Jews only.

Look up the definition of "Property" and "Possession" . If you let me borrow a tool for instance it in in my possession but not my property. Get it? If someone sells themselves in to servitude then they come into their masters possession not property. because it is only for a limited time.

No, what you've got is a false dichotomy, ass. Possession- the way you're characterizing it- and ownership are not the same thing. However, possession as a noun, the way the bible uses it, is the same thing as property. *

And, as Pinsir just pointed out, the two words are rather intimately connected, so even if your excuse wasn't just an anemic, dishonest attempt at dodging out of explaining yourself, you would still be wrong.

The bible calls these people "a possession," that you can pass down. Not something one takes possession of: a possession. AKA, a piece of property.

Now cut the shit and come clean.

(* underlined by Huggy)

pos·ses·sion noun \-ˈze-shən also -ˈse-\
: the condition of having or owning something

: something that is owned or possessed by someone

law : the crime of having something that is illegal (such as a drug or weapon)

Full Definition of POSSESSION

a : the act of having or taking into control
b : control or occupancy of property without regard to ownership
c : ownership (i'll address later in this post)

Wikipedia on possession as it relates to law.

"In law, possession is the control a person intentionally exercises toward a thing. In all cases, to possess something, a person must have an intention to possess it. A person may be in possession of some property (although possession does not always imply ownership)."

Possession is a factual state of exercising control over an object, whether owning the object or not.

Ok lets define what an owner is.

dictionary.com

Owner
n. one who has legal title or right to something. Contrary to the cynical adage: "Possession is nine-tenths of the law," possession does not necessarily make one a legal owner. (See: own)

so to make it simple for you, if you own a car for instance it is your property and in your possession but if you let me borrow the car it then comes into my possession but it is not my property. so no, property and possession do not mean the same.

So Huggy, is it your claim that when the bible says you may "inherit them for a possession" that what it actually means is that you may literally not do that?

What is a possession, Huggy? Forget using the word as a verb, what's a possession? What does it mean, as a noun, like the bible uses it?

And I gave you the definition as a noun like the bible uses it. How is this not clear?

pos·ses·sion noun \-ˈze-shən also -ˈse-\
: the condition of having or owning something
: something that is owned or possessed by someone
law : the crime of having something that is illegal (such as a drug or weapon)
Full Definition of POSSESSION
a : the act of having or taking into control
b : control or occupancy of property without regard to ownership
c : ownership

Oh, go fuck yourself, you petty little asswipe.

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Thiests don't hold a monopoly on "Faulty logic" a" "misrepresentation of reality".

The point is, you apparent haven't met a "Christian' that knows what they're talking about.
Your logic fails because you equate "Christians / so-called Christians" as being the same, and if you applied just a little bit of "critical thinking", you'd come to the conclusion that 41,000 christian denominations can't all be right, and in fact, Christianity had existed for around 300 years before the first denomination (Catholic) formed.

That said, being a christian is about having a personal experience, not about regurgitating what you're told. For example, if you've seen a UFO personally, who can tell you that you didn't? But try explaining a UFO story that you heard second hand, you'll never get the details correct.