@ The Omnissiunt One-
1- And while I envision that a caring creator would feel remorse at suffering, and that an increased ability to suffer would weigh heavier than an inability to suffer, from a perspective of omnimax principles I don't believe that when looking at humanity as a whole he sees more than a start and finish alongside everything else he's created. He could of course focus his will on an individual, but it seems impractical, which is why he has given us the Holy Spirit and angels. That one of the reasons I believe in the Holy trinity.
4- Your point originally was suffering can't be productive, I was merely pointing out that it could indeed be. If you want to evoke images of dying infants for your argument whatever, but don't expect a reaction from me. How can we evolve if there are no obstacles to overcome? Everything was provided for us , we decided to go at it on our own and have been since. Everyone talks about why God just can't create paradise for us, well he did. If it poof magically appeared what self-respecting skeptic would actually be comfortable there. Suffering and want are just as much a part of life as death is and Religion attempts to answer why we all want, need and suffer. Your point was that it has zero productivity. Where would natural selection be if there was no need to select?
1- And while I envision that a caring creator would feel remorse at suffering, and that an increased ability to suffer would weigh heavier than an inability to suffer, from a perspective of omnimax principles I don't believe that when looking at humanity as a whole he sees more than a start and finish alongside everything else he's created. He could of course focus his will on an individual, but it seems impractical, which is why he has given us the Holy Spirit and angels. That one of the reasons I believe in the Holy trinity.
4- Your point originally was suffering can't be productive, I was merely pointing out that it could indeed be. If you want to evoke images of dying infants for your argument whatever, but don't expect a reaction from me. How can we evolve if there are no obstacles to overcome? Everything was provided for us , we decided to go at it on our own and have been since. Everyone talks about why God just can't create paradise for us, well he did. If it poof magically appeared what self-respecting skeptic would actually be comfortable there. Suffering and want are just as much a part of life as death is and Religion attempts to answer why we all want, need and suffer. Your point was that it has zero productivity. Where would natural selection be if there was no need to select?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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