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Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 1:58 am
Someone sent me this video about why people suffer. It's a sermon delivered by Greg Laurie.
http://www.harvest.org/r?id=2768&mid=1667
He goes into the book of Job....
some highlights:
1.We live on promises not explanations,so we shouldn't spend too much time asking God why
Reasons why:
1. To get our attention (Psalm 119:67)
He goes into how God is like a Shepard and goes into how we are like sheep. Uses the staff and rod to help us,more specific to this the rod. The worst tragedy can bring us to Christ. He talks about a women who lost a child.
2. God is in control of all circumstances that surround the believer
The devil can affect the life of the believer with God's permission.why does god give that permission? The devil can fulfill the purpose of God. God didn't create the devil as we know it,it was an angel who rebelled. He gives an example Jesus and how he died and satan wanted that. Goes into how God won't give us more than we can handle. No pain no gain.
4.suffering can be used to prepare you for a special task. God is getting you ready for something.
another ending highlight:
The worst tragedy in human history brought about the greatest good for humanity. That tragedy being the crucifixion of Jesus. Greatest good being salvation. Turn to God
I found this to be a good sermon,the Pastor was down to earth. It raised some nice points,but overall I'm not on the Jesus bandwagon. Some of the reasons why seemed to raise even more why's.
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RE: Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 2:13 am
"The worst tragedy in human history brought about the greatest good for humanity. That tragedy being the crucifixion of Jesus. Greatest good being salvation. Turn to God"
ER.....no.
That "tragedy" wouldn't make my top 10,000 frankly.
Concentration camps, the Black death, Mao, Stalin, the slaughter of Native Americans, The Spanish Inquisition, The burning of witches, The slaughter of Armenians by Turkey, Pol Pot, a slew of African dictators (Idi Amin et al.), the Titanic, Various plane crashes, 9/11, the 100 years war, the 30 years war, various pandemics, the Irish Potato famine.....
The rest of the argument is basically even worse, and obviously based on the flawed assumption that there is a God in the first place. Try figuring out everything the pastor addresses beginning with the premise - there is no God. Suddenly its all just much easier to explain.
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RE: Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 2:16 am
Suffering exists exactly as it would if life had no guide or creator. It is nothing like if there was an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent creature guiding everything. Suffering is completely uncaring about what happens or to whom. It's because no one is sitting at a safe distance, twiddling his thumbs until the day that he can reward the few and punish the majority. A benevolent creature would never be so uncaring. But a lack of any supreme being explains suffering perfectly.
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RE: Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 2:25 am
Why does it seem that some people need a reason to not believe?
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RE: Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 2:29 am
(October 22, 2013 at 2:25 am)catfish Wrote: Why does it seem that some people need a reason to not believe?
I'd like to think most people need a reason to do, or not do, anything.
Why does it seem that some people do not need a reason to believe?
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RE: Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 2:35 am
(October 22, 2013 at 2:25 am)catfish Wrote: Why does it seem that some people need a reason to not believe?
I've had a lot of reasons to believe in my life. Only when I realized that I was wasting my time did my life finally get better. I didn't want a reason to not believe, I needed one.
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RE: Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 2:38 am
I just find it illogical to say that "the lack of something that I don't believe in" explains suffering... 
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RE: Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 2:45 am
Come on K2490 stop stealing my thread
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RE: Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 2:46 am
I don't think that is quite what is being said:
The presence of something that should seek to prevent suffering becomes harder to justify in the light of suffering.
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RE: Why God allows suffering
October 22, 2013 at 2:48 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2013 at 2:48 am by Minimalist.)
Quote:I just find it illogical to say that "the lack of something that I don't believe in" explains suffering...
Quote:Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-Epictetus
You clowns profess this fucker to be real. The problem is your own.
As for me, evil happens because a lot of people are miserable bastards. In fact, some of them are the same miserable bastards who invented your god as a cover for their crimes.
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