(August 16, 2010 at 5:52 pm)tackattack Wrote: @ The Omnissiunt One-
1- And while I envision that a caring creator would feel remorse at suffering, and that an increased ability to suffer would weigh heavier than an inability to suffer, from a perspective of omnimax principles I don't believe that when looking at humanity as a whole he sees more than a start and finish alongside everything else he's created. He could of course focus his will on an individual, but it seems impractical, which is why he has given us the Holy Spirit and angels. That one of the reasons I believe in the Holy trinity.
Okay, but that doesn't really explain why he allows suffering.
Quote:4- Your point originally was suffering can't be productive, I was merely pointing out that it could indeed be. If you want to evoke images of dying infants for your argument whatever, but don't expect a reaction from me. How can we evolve if there are no obstacles to overcome? Everything was provided for us , we decided to go at it on our own and have been since. Everyone talks about why God just can't create paradise for us, well he did. If it poof magically appeared what self-respecting skeptic would actually be comfortable there. Suffering and want are just as much a part of life as death is and Religion attempts to answer why we all want, need and suffer. Your point was that it has zero productivity. Where would natural selection be if there was no need to select?
Dying infants surely disprove the idea that all suffering leads to moral advancement, as does the suffering of animals. By saying that suffering is necessary for moral advancement, you're supposing that an omnipotent god couldn't have found another way to help us advance, at least with less suffering than there is. What's so good about moral advancement, anyway? What's so good about natural selection?
'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
