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Suffering
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RE: Suffering
(August 16, 2010 at 6:43 pm)tackattack Wrote: 1-I addressed accountability for suffering, the why of suffering was addressed in my rebuttal to point 4.

4- I didn't say all suffering leads to human advancement. I said suffering is a primary part of learning and evolving. Lots of suffering is needless, hence the term "needless suffering". They can be traced causally back to any number of reasons, most however are man-made in origins, hence my stance that mankind does far worse in the name of God than God does through man.

So why does God allow needless suffering, when he could presumably bring about human advancement without it? Also, a large part of suffering is not man-made. Droughts, floods, volcanoes, tsunamis, predators in nature... need I go on? Even humankind's own nature, our capacity for violence and war and sadism, is not our fault. God must account for this, too.
(August 17, 2010 at 12:31 am)Godschild Wrote: Let's get this out of the way there is no nearly He is perfect. God did not make these situations happen to do so He would have had to create sin and He did not do that. Sin came into existence through Satan's disobedience and came into the creation by mans disobedience. Thus suffering was the result. You keep saying that God kills babies yet you say nothing about the millions of babies that are aborted every year. If God were the total controlling being you say He should be then this would not happen and the freedom of choice would be gone. So do you want to do away with a womans right to choose I do not see God doing that. By your logic God should stop this and do away with freedom of choice.

Why did God create Satan, knowing he would disobey? Why does God then punish us for the sin which he presumably allowed? What's so good about freedom of choice, for that matter, and why couldn't God have given us freedom of choice, but eliminated all natural evil?

Your god seems more and more ethically dubious by the day.

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Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 13, 2010 at 5:44 pm
RE: Suffering - by chasm - August 13, 2010 at 5:45 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 13, 2010 at 6:10 pm
RE: Suffering - by chasm - August 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm
RE: Suffering - by Rhage - August 13, 2010 at 6:18 pm
RE: Suffering - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2010 at 5:04 am
RE: Suffering - by Paul the Human - August 13, 2010 at 5:56 pm
RE: Suffering - by annatar - August 13, 2010 at 7:00 pm
RE: Suffering - by Rhage - August 13, 2010 at 6:00 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 13, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: Suffering - by chasm - August 13, 2010 at 6:39 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 14, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Suffering - by Minimalist - August 14, 2010 at 2:28 am
RE: Suffering - by Entropist - August 17, 2010 at 8:46 am
RE: Suffering - by padraic - August 14, 2010 at 2:34 am
RE: Suffering - by Tiberius - August 14, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 16, 2010 at 2:16 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 3:16 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 5:06 am
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 14, 2010 at 8:50 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 16, 2010 at 4:08 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 7:47 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 8:07 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 11:28 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 5:59 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 7:19 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 16, 2010 at 9:11 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 17, 2010 at 12:31 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 17, 2010 at 11:13 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 16, 2010 at 5:52 pm
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 16, 2010 at 6:09 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 16, 2010 at 6:43 pm
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 17, 2010 at 3:59 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 17, 2010 at 10:46 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 18, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: Suffering - by Entropist - August 18, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 18, 2010 at 10:34 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 6:55 am
RE: Suffering - by ib.me.ub - August 17, 2010 at 4:05 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 18, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 19, 2010 at 11:26 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 19, 2010 at 7:23 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 2:03 pm
RE: Suffering - by fr0d0 - August 19, 2010 at 2:43 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 19, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 20, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 19, 2010 at 10:50 am
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 19, 2010 at 3:08 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 5:08 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 20, 2010 at 12:47 am
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 20, 2010 at 8:08 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 20, 2010 at 2:48 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 21, 2010 at 1:13 am
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 21, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 21, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 21, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: Suffering - by Entropist - August 21, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 21, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 21, 2010 at 11:25 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 21, 2010 at 11:30 pm

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