Two babies discussion.

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Like all that slavery, genocide and chattel marriage stuff?

Does the bible say that it's okay for me to have slaves, commit genocide, or have more than one wife?

Look, I get it, you've defined christianity in your head only by the good things in it. But to get there, you're ignoring all the bad things in it, or interpreting that away, and I can do that too: if you're intent on finding ways to make the bad qualities of a thing not exist, you'll only be left with good qualities. That's practically a tautology, it's trivial, but your unwillingness to admit that the bad things exist, does not make them disappear. The No True Christian argument is not going to be convincing here.

Christian was a name given to the very early followers of Christ after Jesus had departed the earth. They were first called by that name in Antioch by nonbelievers in Paul's time, and the name stuck. It simply refers to followers of Christ. That's what a christian is and that's how I define christianity. I don't follow the old testament law and I don't derive my morality from old testament figures.

Secular thinking people advanced science.

When you say "secular thinking" people advanced science are you speaking about all those great christian scientists throughout the history of the western world after the time of Christ?

But we're way off track from the original post now. This little side discussion began because you argued that there was evidence of god in the world. Arguing that religion doesn't do bad things, won't get you there. What positive thing does belief in god produce?

I gave you a bunch a few posts ago.

Hint: Up until Christianity and late Judaism, morality and the after life were not the concerns of Western religions--crop fruition, child birth, and war winning were. The morality promoted in the New Testament is not original, and generally speaking it did not originate in religion.

Do you believe "no fault" divorce is okay? Do you think it's okay to hate someone? Is sex outside of the married state a good thing? Is desiring your neighbor's spouse without actually having an actual affair okay? Do you love your neighbor the same amount as you love yourself? And so on and so forth. Much new testament morality was original.