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Two babies discussion.
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(February 15, 2015 at 11:03 pm)Lek Wrote: Does the bible say that it's okay for me to have slaves, commit genocide, or have more than one wife?

It explicitly commands the first two, and it's the same god in both the new and old testament. In fact, Jesus is that god too, so when you say you're a follower of Christ, you're saying you're a follower of a genocidal, slavery advocating, rape marriage law making, psychopath. You just think he got better because now he only allows for some of the atrocities, and sees fit to torture people after they die. It's sort of like following Hitler because he says he's cool now, in full knowledge of the torture basement he's built under his house, because he only tortures people some of the time, and told you not to mention the concentration camps at all. Only, you know, worse, because god's body count is higher and more indiscriminate.

Quote:Christian was a name given to the very early followers of Christ after Jesus had departed the earth. They were first called by that name in Antioch by nonbelievers in Paul's time, and the name stuck. It simply refers to followers of Christ. That's what a christian is and that's how I define christianity. I don't follow the old testament law and I don't derive my morality from old testament figures.

Still the same god, Lek. Still the same guy, whether you choose to forget the old testament out of convenience or not. Moreover, Jesus was no saint: he said that none of the old testament laws would change, remember? Or that slaves should obey their masters, no matter how cruel? Or that only the Israelites would be saved, the rest would burn in hell? The hell that only begins to appear in Jesus' teachings and not the old testament?

You don't follow Jesus either. You follow a sanitized, lionized caricature of him, defining him only by his good words, and ignoring the evil ones entirely. And worse, you then argue as though everyone else is obligated to assume your shiny, half-truth version of your religion when they argue.

But I'm not required to lie to myself when I discuss christianity just because you do, and I can't imagine why you would seriously ask me to.
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