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Suffering
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RE: Suffering
(August 17, 2010 at 12:31 am)Godschild Wrote: Let's get this out of the way there is no nearly He is perfect. God did not make these situations happen to do so He would have had to create sin and He did not do that. Sin came into existence through Satan's disobedience and came into the creation by mans disobedience. Thus suffering was the result. You keep saying that God kills babies yet you say nothing about the millions of babies that are aborted every year. If God were the total controlling being you say He should be then this would not happen and the freedom of choice would be gone. So do you want to do away with a womans right to choose I do not see God doing that. By your logic God should stop this and do away with freedom of choice.

Omnissiunt One Wrote:Why did God create Satan, knowing he would disobey? Why does God then punish us for the sin which he presumably allowed? What's so good about freedom of choice, for that matter, and why couldn't God have given us freedom of choice, but eliminated all natural evil?

Your god seems more and more ethically dubious by the day.

Well if you do not think freedom of choice is important then you do not hold your freedom in high reguard. God did not create Satan He created Lucifer the most beautiful of all the angels and the most powerful archangel. Lucifer made Satan by his disobedience. God allowed him to do this because He wants all created beings to love Him with out being forced in any way (what kind of love would love be if forced, I say it's no love at all) then He allowed Adam and Eve to make the same choice. Freewill is one of the greatest gifts given to us by God, if He had not then we would be no more than puppets and I for one believe that to be a horrible existence. The reason God did not eliminate evil is so we could see the love He has for mankind the love He gives us in having freedom of choice. By the way if God had eliminated evil then where is there a choice.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 13, 2010 at 5:44 pm
RE: Suffering - by chasm - August 13, 2010 at 5:45 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 13, 2010 at 6:10 pm
RE: Suffering - by chasm - August 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm
RE: Suffering - by Rhage - August 13, 2010 at 6:18 pm
RE: Suffering - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2010 at 5:04 am
RE: Suffering - by Paul the Human - August 13, 2010 at 5:56 pm
RE: Suffering - by annatar - August 13, 2010 at 7:00 pm
RE: Suffering - by Rhage - August 13, 2010 at 6:00 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 13, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: Suffering - by chasm - August 13, 2010 at 6:39 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 14, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Suffering - by Minimalist - August 14, 2010 at 2:28 am
RE: Suffering - by Entropist - August 17, 2010 at 8:46 am
RE: Suffering - by padraic - August 14, 2010 at 2:34 am
RE: Suffering - by Tiberius - August 14, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 16, 2010 at 2:16 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 3:16 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 5:06 am
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 14, 2010 at 8:50 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 16, 2010 at 4:08 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 7:47 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 8:07 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 11:28 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 5:59 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 7:19 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 16, 2010 at 9:11 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 17, 2010 at 12:31 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 17, 2010 at 11:13 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 16, 2010 at 5:52 pm
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 16, 2010 at 6:09 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 16, 2010 at 6:43 pm
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 17, 2010 at 3:59 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 17, 2010 at 10:46 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 18, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: Suffering - by Entropist - August 18, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 18, 2010 at 10:34 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 6:55 am
RE: Suffering - by ib.me.ub - August 17, 2010 at 4:05 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 18, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 19, 2010 at 11:26 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 19, 2010 at 7:23 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 2:03 pm
RE: Suffering - by fr0d0 - August 19, 2010 at 2:43 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 19, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 20, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 19, 2010 at 10:50 am
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 19, 2010 at 3:08 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 5:08 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 20, 2010 at 12:47 am
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 20, 2010 at 8:08 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 20, 2010 at 2:48 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 21, 2010 at 1:13 am
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 21, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 21, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 21, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: Suffering - by Entropist - August 21, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 21, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 21, 2010 at 11:25 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 21, 2010 at 11:30 pm

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