RE: Suffering
August 19, 2010 at 10:50 am
(This post was last modified: August 19, 2010 at 11:03 am by RachelSkates.)
FREEWILL?! Tell that to a little child abused by a priest. Who had the free will? The priest.
Who had freewill when 6 million people were forced into gas chambers? The Nazis.
Further, the priest will have free will to "confess" and"repent." Have you ever talked to a victim of religious abuse? They CANNOT pray. They CANNOT go to church. They CANNOT STAND TO hear the Bible read or to read it. It is not that they do not want to because many do, but they can't.
They are then blamed just to preserve the notion that free will exists so the powers that be can't be blamed or disproved.
So where the hell is FREE WILL? It does not exist. If there is any, The powerful have free will, not the powerless.
So, in Xian thinking, a good God sets up a system where the powerful smash the powerless just to prove that we must choose him when those who are harmed beyond repair are so far beyond choice and staggering through day to day.......just because God gave the choice to the powerful to smash the weak to prove that we must choose him.....this sounds more circular and stupidier every time I write a new sentence. No wonder the church needed Thomas Aquinas to obfuscate the rational thinking of Aristotle to the point no one understands so they just agree to it- like the Tax Code.
Am I insane to even be giving this my time?!! I must be,
But back to SUFFERING:
Suffering is a chain saw that cuts through all the BS in a millisecond. Read the book "God's Problem: by Bart Erhman. Finally someone said it. The obvious prevails. Occam's razor, sharp as sh*t,
There simply CANNOT be an "All Loving" and "All Powerful" being that co-exists with human suffering. Can't be. If you take the little child under the robes of a perverted priest, an all powerful being might let it go because he might be perverted, too. All all loving being might let it go, being not powerful. But an ALL LOVING AND AN ALL POWERFUL being would smash the priest to bits and eat him for lunch.
Even a human who saw a priest fondling the child would punch the priest nice and fast.
But there is no help from above.
My uncle is a historian who works with battle history. Yes, there are MANY atheists in the foxholes and here is a very poignant story of one:
Two men were on the field, one a chaplain and there was incomming fire. They both ran to the safe area, but only the chaplain made it. The other soldier got tangled in constatina wire. His guts were stuck- The chaplain man tried to get him out, but he was in it bad.
ALL NIGHT LONG the chaplain could hear his friend screaming SCREAMING in agony. He kept thinking that god would succor him, make him pass out, that endorphins would stop something. But no. On and on the screaming went till the chaplain went mad. He on that day never recovered and never ever considered god to be anything more than either a monster or not there.
Aquinas never covered that one.
Who had freewill when 6 million people were forced into gas chambers? The Nazis.
Further, the priest will have free will to "confess" and"repent." Have you ever talked to a victim of religious abuse? They CANNOT pray. They CANNOT go to church. They CANNOT STAND TO hear the Bible read or to read it. It is not that they do not want to because many do, but they can't.
They are then blamed just to preserve the notion that free will exists so the powers that be can't be blamed or disproved.
So where the hell is FREE WILL? It does not exist. If there is any, The powerful have free will, not the powerless.
So, in Xian thinking, a good God sets up a system where the powerful smash the powerless just to prove that we must choose him when those who are harmed beyond repair are so far beyond choice and staggering through day to day.......just because God gave the choice to the powerful to smash the weak to prove that we must choose him.....this sounds more circular and stupidier every time I write a new sentence. No wonder the church needed Thomas Aquinas to obfuscate the rational thinking of Aristotle to the point no one understands so they just agree to it- like the Tax Code.
Am I insane to even be giving this my time?!! I must be,
But back to SUFFERING:
Suffering is a chain saw that cuts through all the BS in a millisecond. Read the book "God's Problem: by Bart Erhman. Finally someone said it. The obvious prevails. Occam's razor, sharp as sh*t,
There simply CANNOT be an "All Loving" and "All Powerful" being that co-exists with human suffering. Can't be. If you take the little child under the robes of a perverted priest, an all powerful being might let it go because he might be perverted, too. All all loving being might let it go, being not powerful. But an ALL LOVING AND AN ALL POWERFUL being would smash the priest to bits and eat him for lunch.
Even a human who saw a priest fondling the child would punch the priest nice and fast.
But there is no help from above.
My uncle is a historian who works with battle history. Yes, there are MANY atheists in the foxholes and here is a very poignant story of one:
Two men were on the field, one a chaplain and there was incomming fire. They both ran to the safe area, but only the chaplain made it. The other soldier got tangled in constatina wire. His guts were stuck- The chaplain man tried to get him out, but he was in it bad.
ALL NIGHT LONG the chaplain could hear his friend screaming SCREAMING in agony. He kept thinking that god would succor him, make him pass out, that endorphins would stop something. But no. On and on the screaming went till the chaplain went mad. He on that day never recovered and never ever considered god to be anything more than either a monster or not there.
Aquinas never covered that one.
