RE: The Big Bang is evidence for the existence of the supernatural
August 19, 2010 at 3:05 pm
(This post was last modified: August 19, 2010 at 3:10 pm by NoGodaloud ?.)
(August 17, 2010 at 3:34 am)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:(August 17, 2010 at 2:53 am)rybak303 Wrote: Furthermore. . . . .
A few pesky details:
1) No one can honestly say what happens prior to the big bang, ergo there are no conclusions to be drawn off of no knowledge. Thus all of your conclusions based on anything prior to a certain point after the big bang is based on absolutely nothing.
thats not true. The argument stands, based on the fact, that most probably our universe had a beginning, and must therefore have a cause.
Quote:3) Our universe in the sense as we understand it does begin at a few fleeting moments during the time it expanded wildly before it expanded during an inflationary period in which it exploded at FTL speeds.
that means, you don't oppose nr.2 of the kalaam argument : that our universe most probably had a beginning.
Quote:4) Humans are not seporate or distinct from nature in any provable fashion. We are a part of nature regardless of how many atom bombs we drop or whatever new toy we make or artificial organs we put in ourselves.
our physical body is not distinct. But our spirit and soul, are distinct.
Quote:6) Your conclusion has nothing to do with anything. Supernaturalism is not provable by any science and has not been shown to exist at all.
In fact, its not provable. Thats why the right question should be : how can we best explain our existence ?
what is your belief in this regard ? If not God, you have two choices.
A eternal universe, never created
or a finite universe, which had no cause, since you exclude God.
So you stick to the idea, the universe could have caused itself ? sounds reasonable ?
Quote:As TDOA said, we have no idea whether causality applies outside our universe.
excuse me ? that means, you believe things can pop up out of absolutely nothing ( which is the absence of any thing ? )
Quote: The Big Bang is not an event, as it has no beginning, because there was no time before it.
If it was not a event, it would have not happened. Since it happened, time was created with the Big Bang.
from absolutely nothing, nothing derives.
