RE: Evidence God Exists: Part II
August 19, 2010 at 10:21 pm
(This post was last modified: August 19, 2010 at 10:51 pm by ABierman1986.)
Yay! I love these! *cracking fingers over keyboard* here we go again;
Only man uses fire....well in what sense do you mean use? Forests and plant life use fire to replenish themselves and cleanse out older growth to make room for new. Do you mean humans are the only species to create fire and are creative in our purpose of it? This argument is no proof of anything other than human intelligence and innovation. What is an element of nature? "Fire, Earth, Air, Water"? The periodic table?
An everday mineral just as effective at snuffing fires.....earth? Ever buried a fire and had it come back? What about air, or lack of it, without oxygen have you ever seen a fire burn? So basically every ubiquitous "element" will kill fire as easily as water if applied appropriately. You seem quite smug for me to be able to write this in under 2 minutes.
Intelligently delivered smoke is a better explanation than carbon degradation to particle form that is then kicked up by air currents due to intense heat and combustion reactions between the carbon and oxygen? The pungent smell? Wouldn't evolution of olfactory sensory inputs to detect when smoke is in the air be an easier explanation? There is a relationship between how the elements work together, but man you seem to believe this is relevant to anything.
lalalalala, continuing on....
Medicinal Plants and Herbs; Animals use plants in the same way humans do, evolution is a perfect explanation for why plants would have beneficial effects, or harmful, on humans. You glorify bananas, but have you ever eaten a poisonous mushroom? Pick and choose from this and that and WOW, you have a BS argument! congrats.
Jet Stream; Someone has never compared geological formations with heat distribution centers that occur based on sunlight interaction with the flow of currents. Certainly they are complex! But not impossible to understand, a recent article in Science did a wonderful discussion on new discoveries that explain some of our model discrepancies. Why pick the jetstream man, you could have confused a lot more people if you had said something like the clotting process or organic decomposition!
Bananas: Seriously? We have to do this? There's no argument here, you think the banana fits our capacity well so it must be designed that way.....what about all the stuff that doesn't? Green tea is a pain in the ass to make from scratch but its just as healthy. And to focus on the banana specifically, well have you seen the way the bunches form on the trees? It's elegant, layered, protected, available, fruit is how plants spread seeds a lot of the time so its logical to be appealing and beneficial.
Coconuts: Hard shell, three holes, liquid inside is an argument for design? Ever tried to break through those three holes by yourself? A tool is necessary, so its not that the coconut is designed for us, we designed tools for it.
Guitar Calluses: No one knows their biochemistry anymore! Calluses are the result of a combination of clotting, skin growth, and hormone delivery to prevent nerve growth. All of which make sense in our physiological feedback system. And calluses don't hurt when you walk on them, but they may make your feet not fit in your shoes as well. If your calluses hurt then you should see a doctor.
Atheists that argue that the bad things in the world demonstrate no god first of all, don't speak for all of us, and second, may be directing their arguments at the concept of a loving God. These aren't principles, just educated vocabulary and a smug attitude to shut down the disagreement.
Also, just a taste of how animals also use fire, though they can't create it:
"In fact, as with plants, some take advantage of the flames. They actively hunt along their perimeter searching for snakes, insects, or larger creatures moving ahead of the flaming front. Some beetles possess infrared-seeking organs that help direct them to smoldering stumps and logs, where they will feed and nest.
In places for which fire is a major force, animals accommodate themselves to the kind of landscape that fire creates, and they may suffer if that habitat changes from fire's exclusion. Here, too, they can become active agents themselves in shaping those landscapes by their grazing, browsing, and hunting habits, each of which determines what kind of fuel is available for burning."
Full article: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/fire/plants.html
(August 10, 2010 at 3:39 am)AngelThMan Wrote:rjh4 Wrote:...I think the existence of the universe itself is evidence of the existence of God...I’m not one of those Christians who think every single thing we see around us necessarily points towards the existence of God. However, there are certain things which definitely posses a quality of intelligent design. Besides what I’ve mentioned in my threads, here are some other examples…
Fire: Fire is crucial to man, and only man uses fire. It has been essential for the development of our species. I challenge anyone to name any other species that exclusively uses an element of nature.
The fact that water destroys fire is another clue. While fire is so destructive, it was so instrumental to man that we had no choice but to utilize it. But we needed a way to control it. Water is such a way. It is a gentle, everyday mineral, and yet it so easily extinguishes such a destructive force of nature. Can you think of any other ‘everyday’ mineral which can easily destroy or put out another force of nature? (I’m not talking about scientific inventions or discoveries, which are only accessible to those who created them. I’m talking about ‘everyday’ minerals ubiquitous on this earth, accessible to everyone).
Only man uses fire....well in what sense do you mean use? Forests and plant life use fire to replenish themselves and cleanse out older growth to make room for new. Do you mean humans are the only species to create fire and are creative in our purpose of it? This argument is no proof of anything other than human intelligence and innovation. What is an element of nature? "Fire, Earth, Air, Water"? The periodic table?
An everday mineral just as effective at snuffing fires.....earth? Ever buried a fire and had it come back? What about air, or lack of it, without oxygen have you ever seen a fire burn? So basically every ubiquitous "element" will kill fire as easily as water if applied appropriately. You seem quite smug for me to be able to write this in under 2 minutes.
Quote:Smoke: Again, fire has been a necessity for the survival of man, and yet it is so dangerous and destructive. Without smoke fire would creep up and destroy people and their resources. The fact that there is smoke, and the pungent smell of smoke, shows that we were intelligently provided with fire as a tool, though there’s a built in mechanism meant to be a warning system.
There's a mind behind the set of rules by which fire, smoke and water relate to one another.
Intelligently delivered smoke is a better explanation than carbon degradation to particle form that is then kicked up by air currents due to intense heat and combustion reactions between the carbon and oxygen? The pungent smell? Wouldn't evolution of olfactory sensory inputs to detect when smoke is in the air be an easier explanation? There is a relationship between how the elements work together, but man you seem to believe this is relevant to anything.
lalalalala, continuing on....
Quote:Medicinal Plants and Herbs: There is a plant or herb pretty much for every ailment out there. Some medicines today are still manufactured using plants or herbs, at least in part. Banana skins alone have a powerful antioxidant and strong healing benefits. Looking at this from an angle open to intelligent design, you can see how someone might be looking out for us.
Jet Stream: The jet stream is a complex maze in the ocean. Heat essential to life is distributed through this stream throughout the earth. The complexity and accuracy of the jet stream is indication of intelligent design.
Bananas: If you observe how apes and certain natives and people peel bananas, you will have a clearer understanding of the following. Bananas have a handle at one end, which is how most people peel bananas. However, peeling it this way can sometimes mush the banana at that end and can be awkward. But if you peel the banana by pressing on the opposite tip and peeling from that end, you’ll end up with a perfect banana. There’s no reason for the banana’s survival as a species to have developed such a tip. It looks like someone out there has provided a means to easily peel the world’s most popular fruit without mangling the inside.
Coconut: This fruit has a hard shell. But each coconut has three circular indentations, resembling the holes of a bowling ball, which have softer textures. Have we been provided a way to get to the juice of this fruit, which has a hard outer shell?
Guitar calluses: I play guitar, and I was thinking about the calluses one develops on the fingers after playing for a while. For those of you who are not musicians, when a person first plays guitar, the strings hurt the fingers. But after a few weeks, guitarists develop calluses on the tips of their fingers, which protect their fingers from the strings, and it no longer hurts to play. Calluses on feet hurt when you press or walk on them. And yet the calluses on your guitar fingers have just the opposite effect. Is someone out there enabling us to play an instrument?
Medicinal Plants and Herbs; Animals use plants in the same way humans do, evolution is a perfect explanation for why plants would have beneficial effects, or harmful, on humans. You glorify bananas, but have you ever eaten a poisonous mushroom? Pick and choose from this and that and WOW, you have a BS argument! congrats.
Jet Stream; Someone has never compared geological formations with heat distribution centers that occur based on sunlight interaction with the flow of currents. Certainly they are complex! But not impossible to understand, a recent article in Science did a wonderful discussion on new discoveries that explain some of our model discrepancies. Why pick the jetstream man, you could have confused a lot more people if you had said something like the clotting process or organic decomposition!
Bananas: Seriously? We have to do this? There's no argument here, you think the banana fits our capacity well so it must be designed that way.....what about all the stuff that doesn't? Green tea is a pain in the ass to make from scratch but its just as healthy. And to focus on the banana specifically, well have you seen the way the bunches form on the trees? It's elegant, layered, protected, available, fruit is how plants spread seeds a lot of the time so its logical to be appealing and beneficial.
Coconuts: Hard shell, three holes, liquid inside is an argument for design? Ever tried to break through those three holes by yourself? A tool is necessary, so its not that the coconut is designed for us, we designed tools for it.
Guitar Calluses: No one knows their biochemistry anymore! Calluses are the result of a combination of clotting, skin growth, and hormone delivery to prevent nerve growth. All of which make sense in our physiological feedback system. And calluses don't hurt when you walk on them, but they may make your feet not fit in your shoes as well. If your calluses hurt then you should see a doctor.
Quote:These are just a few examples. They are things that when I gave it some thought I said "Wow, there's someone behind this work."
Atheists love to point to things such as world starvation, and the death of the innocent, using these examples to demonstrate there’s no God. I’m employing the same principles in reverse, by pointing to things that have the quality of intelligent design.
Atheists that argue that the bad things in the world demonstrate no god first of all, don't speak for all of us, and second, may be directing their arguments at the concept of a loving God. These aren't principles, just educated vocabulary and a smug attitude to shut down the disagreement.
Also, just a taste of how animals also use fire, though they can't create it:
"In fact, as with plants, some take advantage of the flames. They actively hunt along their perimeter searching for snakes, insects, or larger creatures moving ahead of the flaming front. Some beetles possess infrared-seeking organs that help direct them to smoldering stumps and logs, where they will feed and nest.
In places for which fire is a major force, animals accommodate themselves to the kind of landscape that fire creates, and they may suffer if that habitat changes from fire's exclusion. Here, too, they can become active agents themselves in shaping those landscapes by their grazing, browsing, and hunting habits, each of which determines what kind of fuel is available for burning."
Full article: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/fire/plants.html
My religion is the understanding of my world. My god is the energy that underlies it all. My worship is my constant endeavor to unravel the mysteries of my religion. 
