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Suffering
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RE: Suffering
(August 20, 2010 at 12:47 am)tackattack Wrote: @Godschild - God

So you believe that we should fear God? That sounds surprisingly conservative for you.

Quote:@The OO- I am responsible for my own desires and animalistic instincts, all of them. You shouldn't feel guilty, you're in a boat with a lot of people. IF however you have the instinct to protect those hurt, inaction is the same as refusing to act. You aren't responsible because you feel a certain way, I agree. You are however responsible for every action (and inaction) based on those instincts and feelings. I also disagree that humans as a whole are inclined to hurt others.

Even if people are responsible for what they do based on their desires, God is still responsible for those desires' existence in the first place. Humans are capable of overriding these violent inclinations, I agree, and most of the time we do, but the veneer of civilisation is very thin, as a visit to a football (soccer) match will quickly tell you.

Quote:Why does he allow volcanoes to erupt? Aren't they necessary for techtonic shifts? I'm no geologist.. subduction or something

Yes, but he could have made it so that they weren't. Defending an omnipotent being on grounds of necessity is nonsensical.

Quote:Why did he choose to create us through evolution, if it causes so much suffering? That's a valid point. Death causes suffering though too.. I guess if he didn't create suffering or the option to suffer we'd all be angels. To answer your question.. he already did that. MAybe our ability to learn and adapt has a goal that could surpass ignorant bliss of subserviance, idk?

Maybe it does. Until, though, a plausible reason for his allowing suffering is offered, which is more plausible than his non-existence, then I feel justified in my atheism.

'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken

'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.

'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain

'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
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Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 13, 2010 at 5:44 pm
RE: Suffering - by chasm - August 13, 2010 at 5:45 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 13, 2010 at 6:10 pm
RE: Suffering - by chasm - August 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm
RE: Suffering - by Rhage - August 13, 2010 at 6:18 pm
RE: Suffering - by Edwardo Piet - August 14, 2010 at 5:04 am
RE: Suffering - by Paul the Human - August 13, 2010 at 5:56 pm
RE: Suffering - by annatar - August 13, 2010 at 7:00 pm
RE: Suffering - by Rhage - August 13, 2010 at 6:00 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 13, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: Suffering - by chasm - August 13, 2010 at 6:39 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 14, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Suffering - by Minimalist - August 14, 2010 at 2:28 am
RE: Suffering - by Entropist - August 17, 2010 at 8:46 am
RE: Suffering - by padraic - August 14, 2010 at 2:34 am
RE: Suffering - by Tiberius - August 14, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 16, 2010 at 2:16 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 3:16 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 5:06 am
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 14, 2010 at 8:50 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 16, 2010 at 4:08 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 7:47 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 8:07 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 11:28 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2010 at 5:59 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 14, 2010 at 7:19 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 16, 2010 at 9:11 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 17, 2010 at 12:31 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 17, 2010 at 11:13 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 16, 2010 at 5:52 pm
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 16, 2010 at 6:09 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 16, 2010 at 6:43 pm
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 17, 2010 at 3:59 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 17, 2010 at 10:46 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 18, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: Suffering - by Entropist - August 18, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 18, 2010 at 10:34 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 6:55 am
RE: Suffering - by ib.me.ub - August 17, 2010 at 4:05 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 18, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 19, 2010 at 11:26 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 19, 2010 at 7:23 am
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 2:03 pm
RE: Suffering - by fr0d0 - August 19, 2010 at 2:43 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 19, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 20, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 19, 2010 at 10:50 am
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 19, 2010 at 3:08 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2010 at 5:08 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 20, 2010 at 12:47 am
RE: Suffering - by The Omnissiunt One - August 20, 2010 at 8:08 am
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 20, 2010 at 2:48 pm
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 21, 2010 at 1:13 am
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 21, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: Suffering - by Godschild - August 21, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: Suffering - by Captain Scarlet - August 21, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: Suffering - by Entropist - August 21, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 21, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: Suffering - by RachelSkates - August 21, 2010 at 11:25 pm
RE: Suffering - by tackattack - August 21, 2010 at 11:30 pm

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