RE: Need help choosing Greek/Roman authors
February 22, 2015 at 3:01 am
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2015 at 3:06 am by Mudhammam.)
(February 21, 2015 at 9:01 am)Brian37 Wrote: Philosophy is not complete like scientific method is, and even science constantly adapts to changing data.I don't really see how that is different than the way the term "science" is used by people who otherwise aren't scientists. To be a philosopher is more than just understanding syllogisms and deductive/inductive arguments and sitting around contemplating what it means to exist. It's to understand the existential character of the self as it relates to what we perceive as reality, and to understand how all the phenomena we experience is connected through a logical framework, a framework science must take for granted to proceed. Philosophy is the general term that encompasses other branches of inquiry such as science, which is why the first scientists were known as natural philosophers. You may say that philosophy has outgrown its usefulness, but like any language that replaces another, to understand the historical development of science and the concepts it employs, one almost always begins with the Greeks, who, above all else, considered the principles they formulated to be the work of a philosopher.
The problem with the word "philosophy" itself is that unfortunately anything can be a "philosophy", from economic views( which compete and the different followers can become dogmatic and fight over them). Religion also does the same thing.
(February 21, 2015 at 9:01 am)Brian37 Wrote: Our pattern seeking and grouping is evolutionary, that part will not go away. Our diversity also will not go away. But again, the most pragmatic thing humans can do to be more civil is to put our common problems that overlap first, and shift our priorities to that rather than our personal patterns we create clubs we call nations and economic views and religions.I'm not really sure what you're getting at here in relation to the topic of ancient authors and specifically, philosophy, which you seem to hold in contempt.
Not saying we have to be emotionless robots, but our tribalism is simply way to divisive especially now that our entire planet is being affected by our actions.
We have to be a planet of problem solvers, not a planet full of competing gangs. There is no more room to conquest, the world is much smaller. The more humans who understand Sagan's Pale Blue Dot speech, and the more we accept we are the same species, the more civil and manageable the world can be.
Also when you say, "We cant put all our weight on their ideas," I would hope that is a rule you apply to anything and anyone; meaning, you should always be ready to admit that ideas evolve and replace older versions. This is true in philosophy as well as science, the larger difference being that core distinctions formulated by the various presocratics still remain relevant in modern debates.
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