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@Godschild - God

So you believe that we should fear God? That sounds surprisingly conservative for you.

@The OO- I am responsible for my own desires and animalistic instincts, all of them. You shouldn't feel guilty, you're in a boat with a lot of people. IF however you have the instinct to protect those hurt, inaction is the same as refusing to act. You aren't responsible because you feel a certain way, I agree. You are however responsible for every action (and inaction) based on those instincts and feelings. I also disagree that humans as a whole are inclined to hurt others.

Even if people are responsible for what they do based on their desires, God is still responsible for those desires' existence in the first place. Humans are capable of overriding these violent inclinations, I agree, and most of the time we do, but the veneer of civilisation is very thin, as a visit to a football (soccer) match will quickly tell you.

Why does he allow volcanoes to erupt? Aren't they necessary for techtonic shifts? I'm no geologist.. subduction or something

Yes, but he could have made it so that they weren't. Defending an omnipotent being on grounds of necessity is nonsensical.

Why did he choose to create us through evolution, if it causes so much suffering? That's a valid point. Death causes suffering though too.. I guess if he didn't create suffering or the option to suffer we'd all be angels. To answer your question.. he already did that. MAybe our ability to learn and adapt has a goal that could surpass ignorant bliss of subserviance, idk?

Maybe it does. Until, though, a plausible reason for his allowing suffering is offered, which is more plausible than his non-existence, then I feel justified in my atheism.

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1- lol no it was a joke, no one should live in fear.. I know it's a rare occasion for me to joke around, I will caveat that by saying if there's anything to fear it would be God.
2-Yes he is responsible for creating those natures. From my perspective, God kicked off the universe and started things evolving with natural obstacles and humans developed from that. Then at some point very primitive man to the natural trait granted by God, namely discernment and curiosity, and and God granted us the "knowledge of good and evil" morality if you will. Prior to that it was all necessity and strongest survive and small communities. I think society prior to morality kind of topped off. There was a hierarchy but we wanted more so we looked outside ourselves and saw God and our fellow man. I'm off topic, but I think that ability to overcome our primal nature is part of developing into God's creations as he intended. Once all of the obstacles in society are overcome what will we aspire to... bettering ourselves and overcoming that nature. I agree that religion in it's current state is more of a hindrance than a benefit and to survive our understanding of it will have to change drastically.
3-I think he did crate planets that don't have volcanoes.. once again I don't know. They however are not conclusive to life I'm sure as their core makeup is probably vastly different than ours. I'd really rather not make vague assertions about geological necessity in nature and philosophical reasons behind such.
4-And that's great. I'm glad you took the time to see my perspective and I thank you for sharing yours.


PS apologize for all the typos.. no time to edit right now.