RE: Walmart throws a bone
February 23, 2015 at 7:21 pm
(This post was last modified: February 23, 2015 at 7:31 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(February 23, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I do, again, you are stupidly thinking the ratio would explode to where everyone would stop working.
No, I'm not. My stand is based on principle. Do us both a favor and quit pretending you know what I think before I've said it. It's rude, it leads to tension in a thread, and it makes you look like a fatuous asshole.
(February 23, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I don't think because you are in need you should be subject to Orwellian microscopes. If anything the rich write far more damaging laws for themselves that allow them to get away with all sorts of shit.
Slippery-slope fallacy, coupled with tu quoque. Revise and resubmit.
(February 23, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: There is a minimum everyone deserves not because they are perfect human beings but because they are humans.
When that comes from other humans, those other humans have every right to ask if the taxation is necessary, or not. If it isn't necessary -- if the recipient can work but chooses not to -- the person being stripped of earned wealth should have every right to call foul.
You sure in the hell wouldn't like it if someone snuck into your house and stole your food because they didn't want to earn it. Why should you be okay with someone sneaking into your paycheck?
(February 23, 2015 at 5:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: How many house wives get free room and board and have no jobs?
Equivocation fallacy: those husbands choose to remain in that marriage, but I cannot legally choose to not pay taxes.
Thanks for playing, Brian.
(February 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote: This is relative - Everyone who doesn't work is not earning their pay. There are people who cost more than what they produce, not only lazy people but disabled, depressed, ill and older people. In this case you are against specifically people who don't work out of their own will but I have a questions:
- How do you determine scientifically who does not want to work?
When I was on unemployment a few years back, I had to submit a list of five employers every two weeks that I had applied to for jobs. It was pretty simple: if I didn't fill in the blanks, I didn't get a check.
(February 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote: In my country you are legally required to look for work and you have to show up every week in the unemployment center. It's part of the deal. But honestly there's a lot of conflicting variables - What if someone refuses the job because it's poorly paid? What if the lazy fuck has a family to feed?
I'd rather work for low wages than not work at all.
(February 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote: This has been said already but I'll repeat it - Most people on welfare don't:
1 - Refuse to work
Of course not. Why are you assuming that I think that?
(February 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote: 2 - Earn that much (in most first world countries money for welfare is not enough to even afford basic needs - There's people on minimum age AND welfare)
Of course. I was one of them, at one time.
(February 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote: 3 - The money spent unnecessarily on welfare is not very significant compared to other illegitimate government spending
Given that that has not been a point I've made, this looks an awful lot like a strawman. Don't impute views onto me which I don't hold, okay?
(February 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Ultimately all of us will pay for something we don't want and it's impossible to determine where our tax money goes - I can't do it, you can't do it, inevitably my money will eventually pay for someone who could have chosen a better lifestyle and made better choices, but I prefer paying for those people and not allow anyone to die on hunger.
Evacuated-middle fallacy. Not everyone on welfare is unable to work. Not everyone who is unemployed is a mooch. Not everyone collecting a government check faces starvation as the only other option.
I accept that my taxes will end up funding policy initiatives which don't sit well with me. That doesn't mean I cannot speak my mind about it; indeed, as a concerned citizen, I feel I have a duty to speak up about such things, so that my taxes, and my votes, aren't my only voice.
(February 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote: This is also dependent on personal opinion, some people don't like paying for certain categories of people while others are fine with it; some people want to pay for everyone and others for no one
As I said, I'm not against government assistance. I'm against the extreme form put forth by another poster above.
