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Is the bible all perfect?
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RE: Is the bible all perfect?
(March 7, 2015 at 9:42 pm)Drich Wrote:
(March 6, 2015 at 11:41 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: Drich, what is the source for your beliefs about the Bible (quoted above)? The Bible is a collection of books that were written independently and canonized centuries later. How could any part of the Bible's text be making claims about the Bible in its entirety?

Luke 11 is where I got what is written above.

Just so we are clear what is written in Luke 11 is about the Holy Spirit. The Same Holy Spirit who inspired the bible.
It seems to me that you are arguing that the Holy Spirit guided the church leaders that chose the books of the NT canon so that the Bible would be perfect.

My question: wouldn't the Holy Spirit have also guided other decisions made by the leaders who set the NT canon? Based on my skimming of wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon ), the Synod of Hippo in 393 made important decisions on the NT canon. However this synod also made other decisions that seem wrong or anachronistic to modern Protestants:
Quote:The council also reaffirmed the apostolic origin of the requirement of clerical continence and reasserted it as a requirement for all the ordained, in addition requiring that all members of a person's household must be Christian before that person can be ordained.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Hippo
There is some uncertainty about the meaning of "clerical continence". Catholics probably think it means celibacy. Orthodox probably don't. Either way, wouldn't you agree that clerics were more than simply Bible teachers at that time? There was much more to Christianity than simply the Bible. There was a hierarchy, practices, theologies, traditions, priests, bishops, etc.

In other words, how can you say that the Holy Spirit created a perfect Bible though the same leaders and process that created an imperfect Catholic Church?
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Is the bible all perfect? - by Dystopia - March 6, 2015 at 10:00 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Nope - March 6, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by TheRealJoeFish - March 6, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Drich - March 6, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by watchamadoodle - March 6, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Drich - March 7, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by watchamadoodle - March 7, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Dystopia - March 6, 2015 at 8:29 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Drich - March 7, 2015 at 10:17 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Silver - March 7, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by dyresand - March 6, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Norman Humann - March 6, 2015 at 8:40 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Strider - March 6, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Godschild - March 7, 2015 at 4:19 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Norman Humann - March 7, 2015 at 5:03 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by dyresand - March 7, 2015 at 10:47 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by abaris - March 7, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Silver - March 7, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by vorlon13 - March 7, 2015 at 9:53 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Godschild - March 7, 2015 at 10:58 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Drich - March 7, 2015 at 10:27 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Silver - March 7, 2015 at 10:30 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by vorlon13 - March 6, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Minimalist - March 6, 2015 at 9:56 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by comet - March 6, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by vorlon13 - March 6, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 5:11 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Drich - March 7, 2015 at 10:31 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by watchamadoodle - March 7, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Dystopia - March 7, 2015 at 10:26 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 7, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by abaris - March 7, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by dyresand - March 7, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by watchamadoodle - March 7, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 3:37 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Mr.wizard - March 7, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Spooky - March 7, 2015 at 2:48 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 3:05 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2015 at 10:15 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 3:22 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 3:43 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 3:38 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Mr.wizard - March 7, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 3:46 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Mr.wizard - March 7, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 4:11 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Silver - March 7, 2015 at 6:32 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 9:14 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by dyresand - March 7, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Silver - March 7, 2015 at 9:24 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by MilesAbbott81 - March 7, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Silver - March 7, 2015 at 10:22 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Dystopia - March 7, 2015 at 9:41 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by robvalue - March 7, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by psychoslice - March 7, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Minimalist - March 7, 2015 at 11:23 pm
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by professor - March 10, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by FatAndFaithless - March 10, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Is the bible all perfect? - by Crossless1 - March 10, 2015 at 12:01 pm
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