RE: Is the bible all perfect?
March 7, 2015 at 10:31 pm
(This post was last modified: March 7, 2015 at 10:56 pm by Drich.)
(March 7, 2015 at 5:11 am)robvalue Wrote: 40,000 sects is not good evidence of a perfect message.
It's evidence of a bunch of gibberish. We're being told we're gonna burn, but even if christianity is right, almost every christian is gonna burn too.
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(March 7, 2015 at 2:47 pm)Sionnach Wrote:The book simply does not claim perfection. It does not say it is imperfect, just like it does not say it is perfect. It simply claims to be truth and all you need to find and maintain a relationship with God.(March 6, 2015 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote: First things first to answer your question. No I do not believe the bible is perfect as God is perfect.
Why? Because God in the bible never claimed the bible is without error.
The book is not perfect, the fictional character states it is not a perfect book, but we are to suspend our logical inclinations to accept it as truth nonetheless.
Makes no sense.
Seems to me that an omnipotent being could have found a better way to convey his mmessage.
(March 7, 2015 at 10:19 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote:(March 7, 2015 at 9:42 pm)Drich Wrote: Luke 11 is where I got what is written above.
Just so we are clear what is written in Luke 11 is about the Holy Spirit. The Same Holy Spirit who inspired the bible.Quote:It seems to me that you are arguing that the Holy Spirit guided the church leaders that chose the books of the NT canon so that the Bible would be perfect.not perfect. Just truth, complete, just enough to provide believers a path to Find Him.
At the same time give the doubt needed to sustain pride and disbelief.
Quote:My question: wouldn't the Holy Spirit have also guided other decisions made by the leaders who set the NT canon?He did.
Where all of your logic fails is that you believe because God is perfect He MUST produce a perfect book.
Again why would He do that if His goal was to foster choice? What choice would you all have if the Bible was perfect as God was Perfect. As things are their is enough doubt built into Scripture for those who do not want to believe in it the freedom to doubt it.
Quote: Based on my skimming of wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon ), the Synod of Hippo in 393 made important decisions on the NT canon. However this synod also made other decisions that seem wrong or anachronistic to modern Protestants:Again the bible never claims to be perfect as God is perfect. It simply says it is all you need and it says it is the truth. Which then makes the content God's responsiblity, and "not burying what we have been given" ours.
Quote:The council also reaffirmed the apostolic origin of the requirement of clerical continence and reasserted it as a requirement for all the ordained, in addition requiring that all members of a person's household must be Christian before that person can be ordained.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Hippo
There is some uncertainty about the meaning of "clerical continence". Catholics probably think it means celibacy. Orthodox probably don't. Either way, wouldn't you agree that clerics were more than simply Bible teachers at that time? There was much more to Christianity than simply the Bible. There was a hierarchy, practices, theologies, traditions, priests, bishops, etc.
In other words, how can you say that the Holy Spirit created a perfect Bible though the same leaders and process that created an imperfect Catholic Church?
(March 7, 2015 at 10:30 pm)Sionnach Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='893398' dateline='1425781645']
Just because you haven't heard God, doesn't mean He has trouble communicating...
If I started hearing a voice in my head that was not my conscience, I would make it a point to see a psychiatrist before assuming it was the voice of god.
Do you hear a voice when you read what is written on these forums?
